Social proof definitely helps but I can walk into a bar all by myself and still pick up.

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Yes I have met a lot of crazy people with friends too. That is not what Im saying.

Im saying that yes, you can suck even with social proof, it is no guarantee that you are awesome.

It is just that if you dont have social proof, you are more likely to be a loser. If you cant even have friends, how can you be an alpha male? There is noone to lead. If nobody likes you, why would a girl like you?

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Spot on. If I enter a club 20 or so people come up to me to talk in the first 5 minutes. Another nice little advantage for social proof. Those same people who say hi to you have female friends. They introduce you, you're already done opening and you didn't even have to approach.

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I'm guessing your entire point is that you dont need social proof...but that doesn't mean its not real.


I'm a fraternity member, so whenever we throw a party, I get a lot of social proof. Brothers come up and I introduce them to girls that I'm talking to, they do the same. Helps a lot, shows that you're a cool, agreeable person that also throws bangin' parties.


On the other hand, I'll go out other places with just a wing, which I consider that little social proof because lets face it, who the fuck doesn't have at least one friend? Point being, I can still close girls this way too without the social proof, but social proof makes it a lot easier to impress girls and become the center of attention. It's an important tool and I think it'd be foolish to NOT want social proof just because you think it's not real and that the Man is trying to keep you down and that the Jews did 9/11.

I couldn't disagree more, I've had a real breakthrough recently and I consistently kiss close if there are sets around. The other night, I was in great state, I'd been surrounded by girls all night and kiss closed twice. I broke away from the group to get a drink on my own, and got opened twice while I was there. This never used to happen to me, and was almost purely down to my social proof. It's a non verbal DHV. Read some gambler my friend

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depends on your company as well--some social proof your better off not having, say--uve got this great buddy whose funny, out going well dressed but sometimes after hes had 3 drinks or so u find out hes a psyco who would pick a fight with his shaddow in a club,

or this one which really happened to me--was in college restraunt, hot babe waitresss getting on well with, next my friend arrives and joins me --but hes looking as rough as fuck, reeks of bo and his socks suck the oxygen right out of the small place--guilt by association--restraunt waitress mission aborted-wipeout

Of course social proof helps but it is not half as important as it is made out to be like a lot of PUA stuff including negging and DHV stories.

maenad a lot of guys on here that know a lot more then you are trying to help you. You probably need to listen.

This is not social proof, as i said before if you have low value wings they will bring you down with them...

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couldn't agree more.. what im getting at is that sometimes its better to go lone wolf rather than go for being seen with low value personages just for the appearance of having friends....

an awful problem i have is when i am in non- pu company--say me and 3 other guys and i subtely look at a HB, they blow it all by all turning around and staring at her with mouths hanging open--mission aborted when this happens

herne if you follow my posts, i advise being alone, or max one wing, the reasoning is too many guys look like a pack of wolf praying on a rabbit, is intimidating to women. I like being alone and meeting my wing(separate cars always is a MUST), at the club bar, if he is messing up, acting afc, and he lower his value, i leave him alone and do my thing... wing is tricky, sometimes they bring you down, or sometimes your target likes the wing... or sometimes when you are doing push pull your wing interferes during the push with your target, anyways is hard to find a good solid wing...

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Anybody who minimizes the value of social proof doesn't have any. True, you don't NEED it. You can hit all the attraction triggers with DHV stories but why the hell would you want to? That's so much work and not easy to do in a fast-paced social setting.

Social proof cuts thru all the ground work. A woman sees a guy with friends, some of them female, all laughing and smiling, and immediately sees him as a great guy. I'm normally not that social so rarely get the rewards of a group, but the few times I have, it was very obvious how much easier the attraction process was. Happened in a snap.

It doesn't matter who your friends are either. The key is that you're all having a good time.

Dude, if you have a good sense of humor you will be the center of attention without social proof.Other people will want to be a round you, I speak from experience.

good point, personal question for you. Do you prefer to have a lot of friends or would you rather have meaningful relationships? I prefer the later, I had to kick A LOT of people out of my social circle because I felt like I was the only one contributing any value besides two other people.

I'm just saying that if your awesome, your more likely to have friends. But your dead on with what you say.

Dude, you don't need DHV stories to get girls, just be the value you create. If your adding value then your already attractive.