I fuck up and have fucked it up with lots of women. Let me just get that out the way so it don't come off as being that I am trying to brag.

But every lay I had, I was just in the moment when hanging out with the girl just having fun. There was no "routines, or lines" I am trying to come up with. It was just hanging out having fun that lead to sex.

There was never even a dicussion that were going to have sex. Couple of times, me and the girl just start going at it in front of friends to a point were we make them leave.

So lesson is, fuck routines, pick up lines, etc... Have fun and be in the moment when your with a girl.

Not much to add... I'm 30yo and in a good LTR and had my share, while I am new to PUA stuff. No routines, stages, etc. to speak of. Just having good time and *bang*. Just like you say.

However, I feel that there is a lot knowledge in the PUA community that explains things that have happened to me. I really enjoy reading through pua lingo sites and comparing this stuff to my techniques and memories. And there's great input about social structures. Therefore I really appreciate the info and input that I get.

However, I have not yet read any book about any method or routine and I do not plan to do so. Breaking down a natural flow of escalation into steps or stages or whatever feels like breaking down the fluid movements in snowboarding in a series of driving and edging angles and trying to memorize their sequence and what-if decisions (sorry bad example). Going with the flow, calibrating to the situation... it's just nature :)

No offense, just my 2c.

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(That also means sh!tloads of practising, crashing and standing up again - just watch little kids while they learn to walk. Later in life university tells us that all problems can be solved on a theoretical level, and that only dumbasses go the trial and error way. Mabye correct for nucelar physics, but questionable for picking up girls)

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Good for you. Some people however, who actually need help with pickup, come to these forums to learn how to do what you're probably doing naturally. If they didn't they would probably just stand there and do nothing. Which wouldn't lead to sex, obviously.

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i get what you mean, before i found out about the well known book "the game" i have had a good amount of sex with some pretty cute girls BUT after reading just that one book which is just styles story, i realized that some of the things i had done was part of a routine, like negging etc. this is just what is proven that works and of course noone wants to just stick to this without bringing anything of there own to the table. this is just good to know and it does help out a lot. =]

-Topher

don't get me wrong, I had to learn all this shit.

Going back, I can see the things I did correctly and where I messed up. But when you can do all the stuff without realizing it, it is freaking amazing.

Of course, it takes practice, and practice is where the fuck up happens. So practice! I still remember this last girl I slept with. She gave me the "I am a good girl routine" routine. I seriously didnt realize it. In one ear, out the other, and just went and start making out with her.

If it weren't for PUA and routines, I'd be fucked. I disagree with "just be natural" "forget routines" and "just be yourself". I'm sorry but that is bullshit. If you have it, great. If you don't...erh...learn it (if you want to learn it that is).

Seriously so many naturals say you don't need routines, don't need to know what to say and just say whatever is on your mind, it makes me kind of mad. If I didn't learn some routines and had stuff to say in the can, I'd go in with a lot less confidence, with a blank mind and would not know what to do.

Sure a lot of it is body language, but if you don't know what negging is, teasing is, flirting is, or how good storytelling goes, you can't say "forget routines" because a neg is a routine, even though it's just one line.

That's my take on it.

dude speaks the truth, we're all naturally attractive and it just happens if we just be yourselves

Man this is annoying.

Every once in a while someone gets to the phase when he tries telling people to just be themselves and that they all have it inside and that they are all beautiful people etc etc.

NOT TRUE!

The reason why people did not get laid before they started doing pickup is because they WERE themselves.

JUST have fun??? What does that mean? For most people who get nervous and shit their pants when they see a woman it means playing Xbox.

I am happy to see that the OP gets this and acknowledge the fact that he has had to work on himself and learn in order to get to where he is now.

And that is the deal. You cannot just tell someone to be confident or just being himself and that he is naturally attractive. That is not true for everyone. Many people DO suck.

Routines etc etc. No you dont NEED them, if you have the knowhow of how the game works. You just say whatever feels right to say. And why does it feel right? Because you have experience, you have done this so many times that it starts feeling like it is in your blood. This experience comes from time in field, from being in sets. People who dont dare to go out there unprepared find comfort in knowing that there are routines they can use to practice with. And they dont just learn routines, they learn everything around the routines as they spend time in sets.

So just because you guys have developed a feeling for what works and it comes so naturally to you that you dont even thing about it it doesnt mean that newbies can just do what you do. Give them advice based on their level of game, not on yours.

No you dont NEED a parachute if you have an airplane.



How do you have sex with Brad Pitts groupies. If you ask him he would say, just go in there and be yourselves. Because he is BRAD PITT!!!! For anyone who is NOT Brad Pitt, that piece of advise is useless.



Ezo

I get where to OP is coming from, I'm at my best when I'm "just having fun too" but since getting into PUA I find myself almost accidentally throwing in heaps of PUA stuff (kino, negging, sexual escalation) that before I would've omitted.

Pre-PUA if I was in a "great" mood I'd F-close maybe 50% of the time, but now when I'm in a "great" mood I'll F-close 90% of the time (using a day 2 for example).

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