Alright, first off, her looking to the ground is a possible DLV.

Secondly, if she has a boyfriend, there is way more that you need to know, like how committed they are, what he's like, you need to figure out and properly access the situation. My personal approach is to be exceptionally forward, because they are not always going to be together.

Become her friend, but be the friend that makes her wish she didn't have a boyfriend. Make sure to kino, or you will become stuck as her friend. And yes, you can neg, but be careful with it. Know what your gonna say before you even talk to her. Automate your verbals, and so when you do speak with her, you are mostly focusing on non-verbal cues.

Good luck buddy

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Thanks for replying, i didn't understand when you mentioned a DLV, and non-verbal cues


Alright, i'll try and befriend her, is there anything paticular i should say like hinting towards wishing i was her bf? I kind of struggle to approach her, because she's always sourrounded by other jocks...so i thought if i add her on facebook, its alot easier to socialise, but she never accepted. How should i deal with that?

Looking at the ground when your gaze meets her is not a DLV... it's a IOI. I read it in a body language book which explains attraction between men and women. It's her giving you a submissive signal and if you think it was an IOI.. it surely is

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anyone?

first of all clear your head from ioi and iod. I am going to give you the best defination of these two
ioi means she is signlaing you to take the next step.
Iod means she is signaling you to slow down.
So there is nothing to be taken personally here.
Ioi doesnt mean that you are going to get laid.
Iod doesnt mean that you are not going to get laid. Plus ioi could be fake (testing how desperate you are) and iod could also be fake (shit test. Testing how strong you are)
and ioi and iods are there to help you calibrate your game. GIRLS ARE TELLING YOU HOW TO FUCK THEM!
And her looking down as an ioi.
What you need to do is make a move. Thats it. So simple. Just go and talk to her. In other words GAME HER. You are just observing her. Dont do that much. Go and talk. And why do you need fb when you can talk to her face to face? Get her comfortable to you and attracted to you then she would send you an add request.

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when you add her on Fb you are giving her an IOI which can come on as desperate if she dosen't know you that well

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Brother,please!
you are taking this stuff too seriously.Everybody adds each other on facebook without building rapport first.

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Well of couse it depends alot of which socialgroup you are a part of, however it shows that he remembers her name, and have thought about it

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shit in this situation i would say do the complete opposite of what every chode is doing around this girl, as they all perceive her as being on a pedestal, being in a all-boys school its understandable

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Thanks for replying. The thing is, i rarely get to see her nowdays. infact, she hasn't been in for 2 weeks! Ever since, she's dropped a subject we did together, so now i only get to see her twice aweek. teachers are bastards, theres a strict seating plan, so me moving next to her would be have an embarrasing result.


Whenever i do see her, she is either with her boyfriend or sourrounded by other boys. I figured, if i add her on fb, we can talk. just take it casualy - it's easier.

But now nothings been accepted (im not needy, really), I'm not sure where i stand.


Looking at your post below, how about if i send her a message like she is being so serious or somthing, she doesnt know how to socialise or somthing cocky like that.

From what you're telling us the best thing to do is like someone else already said , befriend her and be the friend that makes her wish she had no BF.Build atraction , use kino , build comfort aswell.

The fact that she's always sorrounded by others can be useful to you. In a all-boy school she'll be placed on the pedestal so be the one that doesn't do that.Basicaly what you need is DHV Spikes which are FAR more easier to do when everyone else is DLV-ing.

Oh , by the way , don't even think about facebook. Your objective is to befriend her and be the friend that makes her wish she had no BF . On facebook and any other Non-face-to-face chat forms you're chances of falling in the friend zone or the creepy needy guy zone are increased by a huge deal.
There's always the chances of that , all the more reason NOT to do it. Text game is so much more ineficient bro...it strongly suggest not using it. Maybe use it to strengthen you position once you get to know her but DON'T start with it.

Thanks for replying.

I wasn't expecting her to be in today, but she turned up late for a class. She came out of nowhere (i never notice she just joined the classroom) and said "Allriiightt (my name)


i said "allrigght" in her accent. i was nervous, and i think i did mess up abit. no eye contact was given. nothing on facebook was mentioned.

is there any dhv spikes you know?

i'm having trouble communicating with her, i mean - i can talk to other HBs EASILY. not this one, im like a total AFC...and i don't understand why...she is pushing a to a genuine 10.


i have no idea what to do now...

DHV spikes are diferent for everyone. I can't say I 'know' some that really work because what works for me might fail horibly for you and vice versa. All I can say is study your previous succes and see what works best for you. Figure out your A-game and go from there.

By the way , try to slip in some eye contact from time to time.It's really imposible for me to explain just how important eye contact is , there's no way to overstress it enough, and not just when gamimg women.

Totally agree on the eye contact, it just develop such deep contact with the person, and you will come out as a passionate person!!
However a good DHV which always works is preselection!! i cannot explain how great an impact it have done on my game!

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