This is a great thread.


I just want to add something about being alpha.

There a friend of mine that is clearly not an alpha in our group or any group, yet he always has girls lined up trying to get with him.

He is not amazingly looking or anything but he gets with so many girls.

being alpha isn't the end all be all.

. . .and there are many ways to do this.

I'm glad Jav linked me to this post. I see the last post was made in March, so I figure not too late to make comments. I generally agree with everything you said besides this one statement. It is not just a "choice". It's a matter of self-image and slowly changing it. Most people don't understand how to change the self-image into a positive one to allow their better traits to shine, so they often stay muddled in negative traits.

In this post so-what-is-alpha-anyways-vt117112.html I've made very similar comments about the same phenomenon as you have. And I would generally agree. People focus way too much on their negatives and not their positives. Where we disagree is in the mechanism of change. "Choice" is certainly not the word. "Self-image" is definitely more accurate. Then image of change is in how we see ourselves, formed over several life experiences, or how we imagine ourselves to be. The best tool any man has is his mind. And generally the only way to break these negative behaviors is to break the negative self-image. Our behavior is only a reflection of our self-image.

I agree with everything you wrote in your post in the other thread. Thus the only issue up for debate is the 'method' to achieve this change.

I've highlighted the REALITY that makes 'life choices's the easiest 'way in' towards change. How many here regularly follow spiritual/meditative/emotional/mental practices? In this forum, probably zero.

Can we instill change through our minds? Absolutely. However, without a regular practice of REAL mental exercises, most will be stuck at 'delusional'. Even the older, more experienced members of this forum are guilty of this. "I am a generous, loving person because I think it." - Really~~

^This isn't too different from:

"I am alpha because I believe it."
"I am a World Champion fighter because I believe it" - Really~~

Choices:

You want to be a World Champion Fighter? Then instead of jacking off to your delusional thoughts, go join a gym. - Simple, simple, simple.

Mental choices, especially for the mental midgets, are difficult to make. You will have a difficult time trying to convince yourself to be happy when your sad. We're not all some meditating monks. However, a physical decision is easy. FORCE YOURSELF TO SMILE. You can do it. Just force yourself. This physical action will influence your mental state.

You had me up until large font. It is not a matter of "force". Force has actually scientifically been proven to be ineffective for the vast majority of humans. Most of these "mental midgets" as you called them are individuals who don't know how to change the self-image. And while I do agree with you that metamorphosis starts with a choice, it does not end with a choice. How many people have tried to "Force" themselves to stop smoking, to stop masturbating, to stop any bad habit only to have it spring back to them when they are most vulnerable. Most individuals will argue that change is a matter of "will power" it is indeed a matter of self-perception . Or simply put how we see ourselves.

Now I will give credit to those who have said "change your words, change your life". You are indeed one of those individuals and I certainly respect the wisdom you bring to this forum. But I am generally worried about the ideas about implementation. There seems to be this idea that will power alone can shift a person's natural behavior. Behavior as I have stated before is the reflection of "self-image". When people say "I suck!" It's because they have tons of life experience (although subjectively remembered) that backs this assertion. To break this dry spell, the most effective, simple, and less complicated way is to use your mind and not your will. Imagining the person you want to be for 10 minutes a day and going out once a week over the next month is much more effective than a month of you carrying around an old attitude and forcing your "old self" daily to do things you don't want to do in the first place.

It is unnatural to "fight" your mind. It is much simpler to recreate the mind. Will power, choice, and decision are all important this to "start" the process. But mental change is perhaps the most important piece in "finishing" the process. This is why I advocate for newbies reading "The New Psycho-Cybernetics" before I would ever advocate for an individual to read "The Power of Now" or any other book. They are both great books, but one holds the key to the most important tool any man could ever possess. Changing ones self-Image . This undoubtedly the most important aspect when deciding that you want to do Pick Up.

You are making a decision and a commitment to change your self-image into the one you desire you want. And what more effective way can there be other than the original source? Psycho-Cybernetics isn't a book just for crazies, salesman, and emos. It is a book that every human who wants to achieve something in their life should read. So while I totally agree with most of your assertions, I disagree with the method of implementation. Force is certainly not the way to do it; although, force can sometimes be necessary to get over humps in the road...

ETA: Kasabi I agree about the meditation type comment, but just doing 10% of what psycho-cybernetics says to do will undoubtedly get most people laid. I'd give a man 50 bucks if he didn't get laid about reading this book over a 3 month period (REALY READING IT!!) and then going out and trying what the book said try out. I guarantee if they read the book and did 10% of what it said do it would help.

It seems you're getting hung up with the word "force".

1. Being forced to do something by somebody else is vastly different from forcing yourself to do something (which is essentially just a 'choice')

2. Not sure which 'scientific research' you're reciting but there's too much research to support my stance. Take a look at one aspect of 'physical changes' leading to 'emotional changes'. Do a little research on "Laughter Yoga".
I will argue that failure in these arenas spring about due to recommendations such as yours. "Believe in it first!" Right, believe that I can be a non-smoker and just stop smoking? No, TAKE THE STEPS. If you DECIDE that you don't want to smoke, you DECIDE to do some research, DECIDE to figure out your options, and DECIDE to take the actual PHYSICAL STEPS necessary to succeed.
Again disagree. They're here because they don't have the mental power to do anything. I will agree with you that for some, deciding to go with the low calorie salad instead of a slab of ribs is tough. For some, making a call to AA is tough. Hey, we all have decisions to make. I'm just saying that using your "MIND" to think you're skinny won't make you skinny. This mental SUCKNESS is really depriving this community. Just take a few physical simple steps. It's really not that tough.


Exactly. Thus I am not advocating the act of working with your mind. Leave all that aside. Just do. Just do. Just do.
Not sure how old you are but do you know ANYBODY who has changed their personalities and/or mindsets in their life times? Simple? Are you kidding? Are you seriously suggesting that re-wiring of your brain and its processes is easier than choosing whether I eat a banana or an apple for lunch?
A linear timeline probably does not exist. Yes . . . this is important. What we're looking for is a 'way in'. The method I often recommend here leads to mental changes without much effort.
I haven't read this book but I will look into it. If you like it so much, I am guessing that they offer real, tangible strategies and exercises for progress. If so, this would be one 'way in' towards progress.

heres a curveball

Alpha = power

dont we all want powerr?


POWER:

Resource currency (material items such as money, property, food)
Personal or group charisma
Ascribed power (acting on perceived or assumed abilities, whether these bear testing or not)
Expertise (ability, skills) (the power of medicine to bring about health; another famous example would be "in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king" – Desiderius Erasmus)
Persuasion (direct, indirect, or subliminal)
Knowledge (granted or withheld, shared or kept secret)
Celebrity
Force (violence, military might, coercion).
Moral persuasion (including religion)
Operation of group dynamics (such as public relations)
Social influence of tradition (compare ascribed power)
In relationships; domination/submissiveness


youre lying if you say you dont want one of these.

its in our nature to want power. you can pretend youre a hippy and just want world peace, but you cant pretend youre so content with yourself that you dont want more power, or to be more alpha.

stop kidding yourselves if you say you dont care. Its just as foolish as those that kasabi mentioned in the first post saying that they "ARE ALPHA."

I can see through it.

So, basicly,
what would be more effective, presenting the value of what you have with these skill sets, or improving on the skill sets and presenting them as your value?

how can you showcase these things, without making it seem contrived, and forced,
one man can say, he is a lawyer, while another simply spits the law, who is more valueable?

If your life is basicly down to work, friends, picking up cold approach, how can you offer the end prize, when you are too young, and have not developed anything further then the weight you push at the gym? is simply having ambition enough to spark interest?

so many questions, this thread was a very good read, and has me thinking

thank you for the insight, must put goals into action, and reflect

Perhaps the worst foolish and childish thinking I have ever seen in my life. A man obsessed by obtaining power truly has no power of his own...

ETA: You added the "hippy, anti-power garbage". But this post is especially why Kasabi wrote this thread. I smell insecurity.

so let me see if I got this. I need to put shine in the things, I'm good at like for example, if let say I'm good in a class I should strive to do go in the class to the point where I'm at the top or among the top, or if I'm good in a sport same as before? or am I getting this wrong?

You smell it do you??? lol. Well I smell someone who has no real power. Do you have a successful job? Do you go to the gym for size? Are you socially influential? dont bother answering them questions (refer to original Kasabi post) but im making my point. Or do you believe you can dis-attach yourself from anything thats power related. Youre delusional if you do.

And youre wrong in every aspect. A man with the most power is the most obsessed with power because they have the most to lose. Someone with NO power, has nothing to care about in that regard, although they are 'settling'. you gotta find your niche' but then dont settle. Always strive to improve even more.

my best of luck to you, getting anywhere in your life without power.

Apparently not all the lights are on upstairs. I don't know what else to say. You think having sex is about having power. I know plenty of men who are poor, work at factories, and get plenty of pussy. Power and economic status has nothing to do with having sex. If you equate getting sex to this, then prepare to be very disappointed. I'm willing to bet you can't even control your own life, much less the lives of others. This isn't politics, these are women. They aren't chess pieces to play with, they are humans. What don't you understand about this? Oh wait, that's right, you don't understand...

Value is subjective so first pay attention to your subject and her personal culture. Secondly, Value = Perceived Benefit / Price. I suppose this is why perception of value can vary. Thirdly, your skill sets must somehow, either realistically or imaginatively positively influence your subject; otherwise the "perceived benefit" would be zero.

Women don't get turned on by the fact that a guy is a lawyer or not a lawyer. If she's a trust fund baby, a lawyer, or another high level professional herself, and the guy is using his jd degree as some show off tool. . . Well this would be a joke right? She'd have to explain to her friends where she found this country bumpkin and why she's with him. On the other hand, if he can demonstrate commonalities, and even some useful help for her unique situations, this could be "beneficial". Take a girl from the boonies on the other hand, she might like showing off the new 'lawyer' boyfriend to her hick friends . . .

Lastly, women are imaginative. Most guys in high school are pretty equal. Sure, you have the local rich guy's kid or the star athlete . . . but life is yet to come. Few high schoolers ever really achieve anything nor can they offer any real value. Then why is it that some girls already gravitate towards some particular guys? Girls can simply sniff out future value. The girls who go after show offs in high school will do this for the rest of her life. The girls who go after the guys with traits that lead to professional success will be going after the professionals in the future. Nothing ever changes. Girls who go after losers in high school . . . they tend to end up with lots of losers in the future.

*The idiot can ONLY present himself as an idiot; this is his only card. On the other hand, a guy with some skill sets and decent communication abilities can present himself in many, many ways.

'Alpha' exists. However, 'alpha' is not really the topic matter of this thread. I'm trying to urge guys away from this one dimensional mindset and hopefully, stimulating some ideas for a more organic and harmonic view of themselves and those around them.

But since you brought it up, I disagree that Alpha = Power, especially so because you seem to realize that there are many forms of power. A class clown has plenty of power to make everybody laugh, piss off the teacher, and ruin his own shit but he's hardly alpha. It's probably more like Alpha = Power(value to others + management of strategies). There might be other elements involved . . . this is only a simplified formula based on personal observations.

I like your list; I wonder . . . Political Science? Philosophy? Where did you get this list?

Dicklow,

Start off with:

strength (strngkth, strngth, strnth)
n.
1. The state, property, or quality of being strong.
2. The power to resist attack; impregnability.
3. The power to resist strain or stress; durability.
4. The ability to maintain a moral or intellectual position firmly.
5. Capacity or potential for effective action: a show of strength.

and

pow·er (pour)
n.
1. The ability or capacity to perform or act effectively.
2. A specific capacity, faculty, or aptitude. Often used in the plural: her powers of concentration.
3. Strength or force exerted or capable of being exerted; might. See Synonyms at strength.
4. The ability or official capacity to exercise control; authority.
5. A person, group, or nation having great influence or control over others: the western powers.
6. The might of a nation, political organization, or similar group.
7. Forcefulness; effectiveness: a novel of unusual power.
8. Chiefly Upper Southern U.S. A large number or amount. See Regional Note at powerful.

Figure out the difference and let's go from there.

FUCK! K-Sab, dumb it down bro.

I'ma be honest with you... a lot of the stuff you don't say doesn't really click for me. :/ Idk, it's that clever witty talk. I never understood it. (Like the 7 dwarfs, I kind of got it.)