Well Sunny sorry to hear about how badly that went...but it sounds like this guy is a complete douche bag. He doesn't give a shit about you, doesn't really seem to need anything from you including sex, if you throw your vagina at him again he might take it, but you'll not be getting much satisfaction unless it satisfies you to be treated like dirt.

I am glad you like my advise, it works, i am not greedy, i will still appreciate a nice bj as repayment,:twisted: anyways... Read my signature, do not give a fuck about the opinion of others, do not let it get to you...

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No, no . . . it's the EXACT opposite. This is AWESOME from the male/PUA point of view. Are you kidding? A piece of dead vagina that makes me wait? Hmmm. . . So I have one vagina (Vagina is a commodity by the way) waiting for me in 3 weeks. I've got another that I've been pickling for 2 weeks, and another ripened and ready to fuck this weekend. Meanwhile, plenty ons to live on. . .

Skills, are you fucking out of your mind? Vagina meat is the foundation of the PUA's fuck schedule. A dumb fuck who thinks her value is ONLY vagina? Not only is this an easy, (delayed) fuck, it even removes the guilt associated with the fuck and chuck. She's already turned herself into fuck meat, why the hell should I grade her any different?
^Perhaps true if the men are desperate fucking misogynist losers. Come on . . . what you're describing are borderline psychotic rapists.
Not sure what your saying here but if you're suggesting that your suggestions are good because it WORKED on you . . . it doesn't really say much about you or the girl. This is sad.

Oh shit, here we go:
Vaginal meat.
Vaginal meat.
Vaginal meat.

Aren't you proving my point?

^Even as a joke, this is the dynamics between a misogynist and vaginal meat. There's really nothing else to talk about is there?

Kasabi work on me(hundreds of girls), work on style(mpua author of the game) and work on a bunch of guys i know, most of them married...


Back of your claims other than Vaginal meat???????? See when i disagree with someone i post the reasoning behind it, you already in about 5 post keep saying the same thing...

As much as we disagree with Mystery and his structure game since we are naturals, he explain his positions and they work or used to work whatever. Same with these 2 techniques they work MANY MANY TIMES. FIELD TESTED BY MY FEMALE FRIENDS!

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Bro is a joke losen up!!

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here kasabi, Don draper is right...

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No, no . . .you don't post REASONING. You post unvalidated proof. (Mystery! STYLE! My female friends!)

What I post is REASONING:

I suggested to you that this dynamic only occurs when WOMEN only have vagina to offer and their men only value vagina . .. and then you posted 3 experiences where all you talk about is the sexual dynamics of a relationship?

I know you're a young kid with some pride but this is getting ridiculous.

I'm hijacking this poor ditzy chick's thread but we should chat about this more in depth some other time. Hey, if you want to chat about 'unvalidated proofs' . . . I know several professional, progressive, highly motivated women who fucked a few guys the very first night they met and are married RIGHT NOW.

1. They met at a corporate function when I told her that my buddy had a motorcycle. She wanted a ride. She came the very next day in her Maserati in her mini-skirt and high heels. He told her she had to change. She brought a change of clothes because she knew she was going to fuck. They rode, they fucked. Then they moved in. She trades carbons. He trades bonds. They travel to Europe on business. They discover commonalities. They come back. They fuck. They do this several more times.

2. She came to the States to study English but she worked in a brokerage firm in Asia. The guy took her out to a club. They kissed. They fucked. They fucked, fucked, and fucked some more. The guy has an International trade firm that has a few satellites in Asia. There's are commonalities. They marry.

Again, if you are relying ONLY on your vagina, your fucked.

As a guy, it's even worse.

Quoting me isn't an issue.

Getting the wrong meaning out of my post is.

I called the thinking "ugly" and "thoughtless", in short those are not words which proved to be a benefit, for anyone. Not the girl, not the guy.

I also said there's a difference between "players" and "determined opportunists". I don't know why you skipped on that.

Anyway, saying that all a woman has to offer to you, is her vagina and that is all a man is interested in, is an extremely narrow minded view.

Instead of arguing with kasabi here, you should try to see his viewpoint.

Calling her a piece of meat, and assuming that she knows that she is a piece of meat, is an insult to her as to your own intelligence.

Your examples are just going ahead in proving the point that you're one of those guys who she can control by the offer of physical intimacy, take it off the table or even delay that slightly, you are hooked to that girl. But, that doesn't hold true for everyone.

Make no mistake, if we want meat, we can get meat. But, men want women with things other than her sex like her good effects on your life, maybe you forgot to read that part from The Game, when Style called Lisa a generous girl, and also he talked about her intelligence and panache. He fell for her, much much before than she withheld sex from him.

Only when you understand that, can you make any semblance of progress in game, as in relationships.

Good luck.

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One last question, while the treads still got some heat

I was thinking next contact with HG8 - In a month or so send this to him on FB -

I can see you are attracted to me by our ongoing sexual relationship (That I’m yet, to end). I can see where our relationship is going! You are already ok with it! There should be no need talk about it....Also I understand you're having fun with your little games, and you gamed me well, but I'm an adult and I'm passed all that. So you’ll have to move to the next level! If you can do that??? And be a FRIEND with benefit’s??? Then that would be good.....Otherwise it’s best we go our separate ways.

Suggestions on alterations??

seems like you're just tossing more free sex in his face, and are clearly afraid to lose him even though he will most likely not commit reguardless, why don't you just stay away from the sex, and get down to buisness, you want a relationship, give him a reason to commit, a reason besides what is between your legs, he obviously does not care about the sex, and it seems you are in the same boat as the sex at the moment, try to hang out with him and do something besides bending over, find out what he likes to do, spend time with him doing that thing, connect with him, find commonalities, I know for myself a girl who can actually make me laugh, and does the ''guy'' things that i enjoy doing such as snowboarding etc. just blows me away, it is not the sex/looks that makes you want a girl for the long term, that is just the sexual aspect, it is the qualities she poses that make you want to be around her that spark that voice inside your head that say, KEEP THIS ONE, if the only thing that he cares about is your vagina, then obviously he has trouble getting girls to give him ''the vagina'' and that does not sound like this guy, i know when a girl responds poorly to my advances, unless i am seriously emotionally hooked, it is on to the next one, all it really takes is a HEY YOUR CUTE, HAD TO COME OVER AND MEET YOU, a couple questions later including WHAT IS YOUR PHONE NUMBER, WE SHOULD HANG OUT NEXT WEEK, and i have a new girl on the roster that I can make advances upon, why waste time pursueing girls that won't put out? and if all a girl does is put out, but she is boreing, she could be a HB12, and you would still lose interest, besides the odd, hey you can come over to my house I have an hour or two free, especially if she is not only boreing but also annoying

if he likes football, maybe one day, say hey im going to Xpub to watch the game and have a round, i would love it if you joined, and maybe 1 time don't go back to his or yours and have sex, not saying ''WITHHOLD SEX'' just saying meet up a couple times and hang out, without the sex, and connect, and then every now and then meet up, with the sex, and connect, try to actually get to know him, and make him feel good as a person, rather then just make his dick feel good, in your mouth

Kasabi, if you do not understand that the women vagina, have lots and lots of power, then keep believing that, fine with me, what you keep writing is wishful thinking, the fact is women vagina has a lot of power, That is the sad fact, I been in the game for more than 15 years, so i have seen it all... Anyways, you want a better example, A WAR WAS STOP IN ASIA, how? women withhold sex How you like them apples? This may not work with guys like me, you, maybe draper, but it works, now from a female point of view why would you want this techniques to work with guys like, me, you and draper(puas/naturals), guys that may be not about serious relationship and have multiple girls. This is a silly argument if women withhold sex with a guy, that is a winning technique for women, that is fact, period end of story, i am not going to go arguing in circles...The reason i posted Don draper is due to the challenge aspect of his story... Anyways, from these forum on the short amount of time only a few guys have the experience to deal with this topic so till they reply i will not change my opion: wrapped minds, chief, ezo, fuckvitimount... other than those opinion i am not going to argue with guys that are not in my level, sorry. P.S. I am 35 how old are you kasabi????
Here is something on the subject i 100% agree with this article:


How often have you heard that holding off on having sex can actually strengthen your relationship? Is it true that jumping right into a relationship will ultimately cause a relationship to fail? Are there any rules for how long people should wait before giving into their desires? A lot of women think that because men are really only interested in sex, the only way to win a man is to give him the best sex of his life. The truth is that men, just like women, are often looking for something more. That's why holding off on sex will strengthen the bonds of a relationship during the beginning and help it blossom into something longer and more lasting.

Let's face it, times have changed. The rules of love aren't nearly as well defined as they used to be. The old traditions of courting, where men pursued women, and women had to option to choose from a selection of suitors, are no longer applicable to the modern world.

Of all the changes to the rules of love, the biggest is that women are now able to openly admit to liking sex. However, because we now live in a culture of greater freedom, men are now able to pursue women solely for sex. If you are a single woman, this means that many of the men you meet may not be interested in developing the relationship you're looking for.

Many women think that because they are now allowed to be sexual, the best way to win a man's love is by jumping into bed. This is great for women who want nothing more than a casual relationship, but it often causes girls to end up feeling used. By holding off on having sex with a guy, you increase your chances of finding a lasting relationship in several ways.

Because many guys only care about sex, holding off gives you a chance figure out how deep a guy's interest in you goes. If a guy disappears after the first date just because you didn't jump right into bed, things probably wouldn't have worked out differently in the end.

Holding off on sex also gives you a chance to form a deeper, more intimate bond with a guy. By taking the time to get to know a guy, you give yourself a chance to decide if he's the right guy for you. You can spare yourself a lot of heartache in the end by not jumping into a relationship that's inevitably doomed.

Knowing how long to hold off can be tricky, so the best rule is simply to trust your heart. If you build a friendship first and hold off on sex until you know he's the one, you're much more likely to form a relationship that's guaranteed to last.


okay here is the link of the war :

http://ohellnawlblog.com/newohnblog/201 ... -fighting/

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HORRIBLE, DO NOT DO THIS... in a month or so text him sup! How are you? that is it... and talk normal, let HIM GAME YOU, if he still has some interest, and start from 0, i believe that you are better of moving on, he got what he wanted.

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Skills, I'm puzzled that you're 35. I've read some of your posts . . .

You're recommending ideals and strategies that are misogynist, one dimensional, and ignorant. You view the woman as a large vagina and recommend that they control MEN by using their vagina as a weapon. My argument is that this will keep only empty headed, low value, thinks-only with his dick losers around long enough until he gets tired of the vagina. A relationship is not built upon sex.

So . . . now you counter this argument by:

1. Referencing one of the most misogynist cultures in the World. This isn't a new tactic. They've done this in China and in Europe(back when women had NO OTHER forms of power) . . Why do you think this tactic ONLY works only in the most misogynist cultures?

2. Telling me that you will not 'argue' with me because you view my experience as too limited. . .

3. Referencing some article from a woman's magazine that is also off the mark but not as nearly as off as your recommendations. The point of the article isn't to 'withhold' sex but to HIGHLIGHT other parts of a potential couple's lives to see if there's a match. This is the 'challenge'.

This is the important part of the article to remember:
The author then gets confused with her own bullshit past and STILL continues to put her vagina on the pedestal. To KNOW that people are looking for something more, then to continue using the vagina as a weapon is retarded. The author of this story has no CLUE what that 'something more' could/should be. Neither do you. How could you? All you want to do is play peek-a-boo with her vagina through a variable schedule of reinforcement.

OP,

1. The dice for your game has been cast long ago.

2. Stay the F away from this forum. It will only serve to hurt your cause.

3. I do believe that there is more to you than a vagina. Only . . . you don't really believe this. Nor does this guy friend of yours.

4. You have plenty of time to build better habits. Go find a career, go to school/stay in school. Pick up hobbies, art, sports, music, etc . . . You are a sexual person . . . fine. But your life IS NOT sexuality, nor is your life defined by some caveman moron.

5. If you must rely on an Internet forum for advice, go find one that is filled with EMPOWERED, older women who have more experience than you.