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Natural game vs routine based game.
Here at the forum it's usually discussed what's better between both of them?
Newbies are confused and most of the guys just throw out the bullshit, "be yourself", "say whatever you feel" and newbies are fucked by this kind of advice.
I mean just,"being yourself is not enough" there is much more to be taken care of.
Before we get into anything else, lets discuss what natural game is (according to the guys here)
1. You just say whatever you want to say.
this is true, but it is mis-understood, most guys simply can't express themselves, tell a guy who is new, just go up and tell her how you feel, you get, OHHH THAT WILL NEVER WORK, guys simply can't be honest and sexually open, they are too afraid of gaining the girls approval to just express themselves, openly free of outcome, either that or they misconstrue the concept as say what ever you want even if it is offensive and socially unacceptable and rude, if you want to tell a girl how you feel, do so, but it is how you say it that is important not what you say, you must not feel the need to have an outcome
2. You just do whatever you want to do.
same thing as 1.
3. Be alpha and be direct. Ok it seems good advice. Doesnt it? But did you ever track the success rate of guys getting this advice? matter of the fact is it may be good for opening, it may be good for holding a conversation but it doesnt answer most of the questions that guys usually have.
being able to express yourself, is most important, direct, indirect, all irrelivant, alpha simply = leader, what are the traits of a leader?, confidence, being able to give direction, outcome should not be important, success rate will be different for everyone, and is unimportant and based on detachment and external factors, and your ability to read and adapt appropriately to situations
What should your body language be?
what is the body language of someone who is confident?, simply put, you are not afraid, comfortable in every situation
How about eye contact?
same as body language, a person with full belief in them selves, would they look away, or are they completely comfortable?
How about when and how to go for the kiss?
if you believe in yourself and trust yourself does it matter? do you need a sign, does it matter if you get rejected or accepted, if you reach an outcome?
How about setting up a date?
same concept as before with the above
How about qualifying a girl?
what about it?, getting a girl to qualify to you and seek your approval is unnecisary if you are speaking in terms of sex, however, you will never find out if you like a person if you don't share interests, and actually get to know them
How and when to escalate the interaction?
it is irrelivant, if you want sex and you see an opportunity to escalate you can either take that opportunity, or you can do nothing, you can allways be escalating, or you can be not escalating at all, what is the importance of how and when?
How to get sexual?
you don't need to ''get'' sexual, just be a sexual person
How to handle the rejections or resistance? And many more questions that "be yourself" advice just dont help with.
that is because the outcome is irrelivant, and the fantasy of 10/10 sets closing is just that, a fantasy, everything in the community teaches how to fake an abundance mindframe, once you have abundance, it does not matter, why must you have sex with every girl you talk with, why can't you just meet people and make them feel good, why must everything lead to an outcome? not every girl wants to fuck you, not even if you have some voodoo magic powers, passed onto you from some wizard jedi in a top hat
The way natural game is being discussed here is not really what the natural game is.
this is completely a subjective opinion
Ok lets see whats the routines based game is.
1. You have steps that you have to go through
2. You have scripts for each step.
Thats in short what we say routine based game.
Ofcourse natural game is better as it gives your own personality a chance to shine.
But natural game is not jus, "be yourself"
it has a structure, way points. Then why do we call it natural? As it doesnt give you scripts. It gives you concepts and guidelines and you can fill in the info from your own life.
For those who don't know and for those who are confused i want to explain what the natural game is all about
1. It has a structure.
2. It focuses more onto developing certain mindsets so that you become somewhat of auto pilot.
3. It may even have a bit of canned material.
4. It focuses on developing your conversational skills and then using them as a base of your game to get you through the seduction process.
So don't be fucked up with shitty advice. Get ur plan ready and follow it to your success
structure is not natural, it is the need for an outcome, it is a need, you are not giving, you are taking, you want something
routines generate responses, after practice, you generate certain responses, and establish contingencies based on those responses that generate other responses, eventually you have ran the same social interaction over and over and over, until the point YOU ARE A FUCKING WIZARD, you know THE FUTURE!!, this is manipulation
at the end of the day, what would you rather be, yourself, but truly be yourself, comfortable with yourself, comfortable with expressing yourself, comfortable with saying what is on your mind, not caring what people think of you for expressing yourself, comfortable doing what you want, if what that is, is touching a person, if what that is, is getting naked, no hesitation, doing what you feel like doing, approaching who you want at anytime, and getting to know them
or are you someone else, someone eleses generated responses and routines, to manipulate people, to generate emotions that are caused from these responses, response A leads to response B, then i get outcome C, I MUST REACH OUTCOME Z!!!
be yourself be comfortable with your self, get results, feel like it was you who got the results, feel great
or be someone else, manipulate people, get results, feel like you are getting really good at manipulation, hurray you reached your outcome, it feels ok
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