I'am getting sick of this, I mostly do night game and can k close 9s without even speaking to them yet I can never (ever) get passed the kiss its like 40 minutes of tongue wrestling and then I go and meet her freinds then gradually she just drifts away and I'm flying solo once again.
I used to think they were put off when I got a hard on or when I went for the pants in the club but I've cut that shit out and its still happening!
do I need to start building a little more rapport before hitting the dancefloor?
should I be trying to number close straight after the kiss?
I just dont understand how I'm closing 9's yet I'm still a 20 year old virgin.
thanks for reading
need anymore details on the situation just ask.

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I think that every successful man should have 3 women at his funeral. One that's crying, one that's smiling and one that's buying things on her laptop with his will.

write your game plan here (from opening to sex) and i would make necessary adjustments and hope that would solve your problem

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I open a few girls on the way to the dancefloor asking there opinions on things pointing out a funny situation or that my wing looks like a celebrity.
then once I'm on the dancefloor If I'm by myself I like to do what I call fishing wich is where u find a hot girl and wait till she dances with her hands in the air e.g fist pumping then I grab 1 of her hands tell her to spin for me then I wrap her hands round the back my neck and go for the kiss but then once I go to meet her freinds its downhill from there once I realise I cant take it further I repeat the sequence on another girl

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I think that every successful man should have 3 women at his funeral. One that's crying, one that's smiling and one that's buying things on her laptop with his will.

mistakes
1. Not building attraction
2. Not building comfort
3. Not qualifying
4. Not isolating
5. Not getting number
6. Not setting the next meet up
what you are doing is a move to get the kiss not the girl, and that's what you are getting, the kiss, not the girl.Did you ever read any book about game ?

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I only have gamblers book so are you saying I should try and get the number before the kiss??

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I think that every successful man should have 3 women at his funeral. One that's crying, one that's smiling and one that's buying things on her laptop with his will.

then why don't you follow that book?
That book gives a structure something like this
1.open.
2. Continue the interaction using hooks
3. Breaking rapport and challenging them
4. Build rapport and deep rapport
and so on.
Delay your kiss and go for the kiss after you have some attraction and comfort. Asking number before kiss or after doesnt matter much. Ask for the number when its just you and her, better not to ask in front of her friends

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okay I just think pua has gave me confidence that I've never had and at some point its made me lazy and 1 dimensional lol I've wrote down all the mistakes I made and am gonna try them out 1 by 1 thanks I'll send you private messages tell you how I'm doing

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I think that every successful man should have 3 women at his funeral. One that's crying, one that's smiling and one that's buying things on her laptop with his will.

sure! I would love to see you improve

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okay then this is how I'm going about it.
Mission 1: build attracation
1.be an alpha male
dont care about opinions
go after what you want
2.be interesting
have interesting hobbies read interesting books go to interesting place = have interesting storys
3.make her laugh
^ found it on some pick up site

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I think that every successful man should have 3 women at his funeral. One that's crying, one that's smiling and one that's buying things on her laptop with his will.

can you buy a book ?

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any books u suggest?

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I think that every successful man should have 3 women at his funeral. One that's crying, one that's smiling and one that's buying things on her laptop with his will.

yeah i can but when i think of it i don't feel satisfied. It's so much bullshit everwhere. I mean, look at the forum, so many guys asking for advice and they are also getting the advice, mostly wrong advice. And the proof is, see how many guys are getting laid because of that advice? I didnt see any yet. How about we start a new thread and cover the seduction process from step one to the end? It is definately gonna take some time. And if you want me to recommend you a book, i can do that too

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alot of the stuff in gamblers book makes sense you just have to adjust it a little, what guru do you follow?

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I think that every successful man should have 3 women at his funeral. One that's crying, one that's smiling and one that's buying things on her laptop with his will.

i follow sinn most of the time. But i have gone through almost all the methods out there. You want to follow gambler ?

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Attraction is the easy part, making out with a girl means nothing. You can regurgitate a few negs, time constraints, and social hooks to get a girl to make out with you. You're having trouble building rapport. Unless a girl is somewhat emotionally invested in you, there's no inclination for a second date.

Try modifying your game in this way:

1. Number close
2. Escalate kino further before making out (hand holding etc)
3. Bounce (take her to different locations either within or outside of the locale. Moving her distorts her perception of the amount of time she spent with you)
4. Use negs and time constraints.

Pawning off one girl for another will also help, social proof is the easiest way to build attraction; allowing you to cut faster into rapport building.

While focusing on rapport building though, don't forget the stuff you've already been doing. Rapport without the subtext of attraction will get you LJBFed.

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