Okay, so I've been gaming a girl at my HS and because of our schedules, we currently can only do about 2/3 minute talks (with alot of kino). She really gives ALOT of IOIs and a crapload of kisses in the re-opener, normally really close to my lips (almost as if she wants me to move that little bit). Even with our schedules we see each other every day, and thanks to them there is also a lot of free time, which can be filled by it all.

Now, I want to... erm, make her my gf? (I know it may be an odd concept around here since this is mainly f-closes or day 2's leading to f-closes, which are self-explanatory by themselves)
I can either kiss her immediatly after she says hi - something that made me nervous for a second before I decided not to the last time I saw her, pull her for a "talk" aside after we say hi and kiss her there, or the third option (only added because since I'd be one of the first guys to kiss her and there is always a chance of rejection, no matter how small it is) talk to her and ask her to be my gf, which I really doubt will work.

So, give me your input please, what do you think would work better? =)

I see what you mean, my man, and your perspective is a tough one - highschool + girls = not easy. I would suggest none of the above you mentioned. Instead, I'd take her on a small-scale-ish date. Tell her, "yo, i'm taking you out today after school/whatever time, meet me here at XX:00, see you then!" (make it at a good time. normally, I wouldn't ask "ok?", but if she's interested in you, I don't think it matters too much, she'll say yes)

See, that way, you're bypassing the whole "will you go out with me" bullshit that's so prevalent in MS/HS, and going straight to "real" dating - the way the 'grown ups' do it. this way, you also demonstrate that you're above the HS level, and are sophisticated enough for a serious-ish relationship (if that's where you're interested in taking it).

Also, if so far your entire relationship is in the hallways at school, it is CRUCIAL that you take her somewhere else to get to know her. Otherwise, you might end up being one of those short-lived boyfriends who seems like he has no clue what he's doing. By taking her somewhere, 1-on-1, you're showing interest and maturity - the latter being exactly what a HS-age girl wants in a bf.

At the date - coffee, lunch, walk at the park, (i'd recommend against movies, because there is no actual 1-on-1 interaction going on and you don't get to know each other) - make it fun. talk to each other, get to know each other, keep her laughing, keep it light, make sure she's having a good time. At the end of if, you can get her number (if you don't have it already) and k-close.

Aaafter the first date, keep taking her out every once in a while - once a week for a week or two, then once or twice for a few more weeks, whatever. By doing this, you are literally dating, and effectively acting as bf/gf, if she goes with it, which she ought to if i understand your situation correctly. But you see what you're doing here? You're becoming her boyfriend without "asking her out" - in a very mature, decisive way.


I hope I've gone into enough detail, and I really hope this helps, bro! I've been in your boat, and by doing what I mentioned above I ended up with a great 1.5 year relationship. Good luck! Let us know how it goes!!!


-Shawarma

Well, I've known her for 4 years now (only recently she has been doing this) and 2 of them she was on my class. So knowing each other really isn't an issue - and at a point in those years she was attracted to me, I was just to big of an AFC to go out with her. There's a huge park near her house (which is really only grass + a kiddies playground on the center) and I'll either take her there or to lunch on a restaurant. I'm still not sure about which one, but I'm more heading towards the park since she usually goes there with friends. Me knowing her for a "while" also deems movies a bit more acceptable, but I'm still not sure of which one.

I'll meet her in 10 mins and then I'll decide what to do (I won't ask her out today since I can't do anything on weekends thanks to going away every weekend, but next week would be perfect).

Thanks for the advice man, I'll try it out and then I'll post here how it all goes. You were a very needed help, since I was really confused about how to go on with this - because normally I'm not the one opening relationships, the girls do, and I'm still not used to it :p

Glad I could help man! Good luck!

So, I was struggling a bit to update since I wanted to get at least something to say, except for the usual.

Last monday, she was all over me. Literally. We were going up some stairs in my school with a group of her friends (two twins and a guy that really didn't relate much other than being in their class, but decided to tag along) and I started playing with her, I don't quite remember the subject though. In the middle of it, she says that I was so weak I couldn't even pick her up (she's as thin as one can be). And since I needed to heat it up anyway, I picked her up with both of my arms and run to the main block (our school is divided in blocks, with the main one having cafeteria and etc. and the rest having the classrooms) - the place we were heading anyway.

Then for the rest of it, until we had to go to class 10 mins. later, she kept kinoing, and tried to start it again when I stopped holding her hand.

Later in the day, at lunch break (when I go back in and she leaves for the day, and we have about 30 seconds of contact) she was again all over me, and I tried isolating her - again, she was leaving with her twin friends. I do but only for a couple of seconds, and she flees again after two kisses extremely close to what I wanted.

Today (didn't see her yesterday, but I did talk to the twins though) when we met she was the complete opposite. I didn't try to push it though, and she was all sarcastic. She tried taking me to the cafeteria (again, it was her lunch break) but I really saw that with her in that mood, it would only make things worse.

I'm thinking I should really do push/pull, when I meet her again, but how can I do it in this situation? =/ I'll try to ask her out next time I see her though

As for push/pull, you could do it here by paying a lot of attention to her one day or two days, and then take a day off and be too "busy" to interact with her very much. Just be careful - make yourself "busy", not "uninterested".

I think you really need to get this thing outside of school, too, if you want it to go anywhere!

Thanks for the reply, I was really thinking of just putting it on standby or quiting/waiting till she does anything else (especially since she's the one who normally opens the conversation, and imo breaking out of the norm would look a little needy - exacly what I don't need).

I haven't met her since Wednesday, but I almost 100% will Monday, when we have two classes near each other. I normally have a lot of crap to do anyways, so it wouldn't be hard to be convincing with it.

I will absolutely take this out of school both because of everything you mentioned in the first post, and because overall I (personally) can't really game when isolation is almost impossible.

I'm in HS as well (senior) and I agree with what shawarma has said so far. All of my game is extremely influenced by the Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. There's too much in there for it to give you immediate results, but if you want to change your life, I recommend you read and practice it. Anyway, here are my thoughts.

For general out of school dates, I love parks. I've gotten really good at frisbee, so having that DHV makes for good dates. If you are going to take her out on a DHV date, doing something you enjoy, pay close attention to her. If she's having fun, have fun with her. If she's looking bored, frustrated by the game, or less interested in you, like you're showing off, switch it up.
This applies to all game, always. PAY ATTENTION TO HER. If you notice something, you have that thought, don't analyze it. Focus more on her and the other people around you than any thought you might have. Too much thinking kills your sociability.
So you have kissed her? I'm a little confused on this point.

When she plays this hot-cold game, you need to do it back, but at a higher frequency. What I mean by this is, where she might be all over you for an hour, then the next hour she is sarcastic and distant, you should push-pull much more frequently. Talk to her for ten minutes, then touch and flirt with her friend before returning to her.

If you do this, she will probably have jealous feelings and blame you for them. Accept this blame without retaliation. Reframe it without defensiveness. It's hard to explain quite how this mentality works, but nothing she says thats meant to hurt you, in any way, should be taken seriously.

But yeah, give her some space, but do this without thinking about her. Anytime you notice yourself thinking about her, refocus yourself in the present moment. The more you think about her when she's not around, the more thoughts you have created that make sense in your mind, but not necessarily in a real situation. You will be tempted to say some of those thoughts when you see her and those will generally be your worst parts in a conversation.

Message me if you need specific answers, I'll probably check this thread again though.

isn't this guy progressing too slow? Atleast, i think that. And isn't the game being expaned? You don't need days to play push pull. I mean, i really think that the guy is fucking slow. Specially the escalation seems to be damn slow

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I disagree in high school. Everyone sees each other every day, false times constraints, or real ones, become completely irrelevant, because you know it'll only be til the next day. So you escalate more slowly, because if you were to go fast it would be strange and against the norm in high school, and if you give her too much credit through your escalation you come off needy. It's better to be more distant for a longer period of time, then escalate a lot in a short period when the right time comes to make something happen.

On the face. It's common here between friends - be it female-male or female-female - and I do it with most of the girls I know (especially targets). It's fun to play with it though, and to do all sorts of stuff based on it.

I can't really do anything that massive when the max contact per day (and sometimes less or not at all) is around 5 mins. This is only my case though, because our schedules are the exact opposite of each other. On a normal case, it's different.

Normally, there's more control on time, kinoing and contact in general. I also normally builds rapport like a motherfucker, which is imo one of the reasons why some people turn into AFCs - cause they get way too friendly in a way too short amount of time, and they don't know how to break the rapport.

Also, it's way different from day-game, since most people walking around are sometimes mixed big sets - say 5/6 - and the overall dynamics is different, even though some parts of it can be similar.

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As to what Slip n Slide said on the push/pull, I agree, and I do that with the twins sometimes. On the final bit, I really don't try and define the lines before I game in general, unless it's an opener in a generic situation with a new girl (which obviously isn't the case here).

I'll try and put it in practice Monday, since I meet her 3 times that day and it'll be ideal for push/pull, I think.

Thanks for the replies =)

my points here are
1.escalating slowly or expanding the game is giving other guys a chance to get your girl.
2. A girl is always being gamed by multiple angles like you in school and may be another guy at a bar, or a cousin in family.
3. Sometimes you are not in the best situation to game the girl and at times like this you either need to game faster or need to change the angle by which you are gaming (may be from school to bar)

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