i am pretty successful at getting #s and kissing but after that it often breaks down. I am a college student and most girls go back to the dorm/apartment/sorority with their girlfriends together. So i have often hooked up, rarely fucked, during a party. have a great time with her that night but can never bring most of them back.

an example of this was last weekend when i got this hb8 #s and danced and Kclosed but she was with some of her friends so i brought them all to another party where we all got smashed and had fun. i further got involved with my hb8. i isolated but did never progress beyond kclose

I am in desperate need of advise on how to escalate it from K-close to F-close. Any advice, routines or techniques would be appreciated.

I justed wanted to make a topic about the same topic because I have exactly the same problem. I hope to see good answers as well.

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To be honest guys I think a large amount of us uni student/college have the same issue.

Anyone got any ideas on this subject. My view is that half the time their not totally comfortable about going home with you on the same night, leaving there friends behind is always a major problem.

But I'm sure bringing them back to your after party works rather well. Interested on peoples experiences with this.

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damn it, three guys need help on the same issue and no advice?? smh

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I have the same problem but I feel that when it comes to college or uni same night lays, it's all in the logistics.

A woman's reputation is huge for them, they don't want to be known as the slut around their dorm, or campus or wtv.
Their friends are always going to try and protect them as well, because they of course have not been seduced by your charms.

If anything I try to isolate her from here friends as early as possible, keep the pull as low key as possible protecting her from people finding out that she just got it on with some random guy she met that night.

I ran into this when I was in college: temporary fixed it by paying attention to a girl's "visiting friends" (picking hot ones for targets) - these chics are usually much more apt to getting something out of their visit . When I wanted a longer term solution/fix the actual problem, I found that I had to deal with the obstacles better. Spend more time winning over the jealous guys/ugly girls etc that she's with before escalating to trying to take her back. This has worked for me in the past.

I do get this nowadays though...more than I'd like and it's the top sticking point in my game right now....(young - mid 20's working professional) and normally have to deal with roommate issues (I don't have my own place, nor do most of my targets). This makes the logistics a little more confusing ugh!

Also confusing though, since Mystery says it normally takes at least 7hrs of total intereaction for this all to go down. I figure: average party starts 10-10:30, meet chic (on average) 1/2hr 1hr later, open, dhv, build comfort club lets out around 3...go eat somewhere...that leaves it to about 5:00-5:30am at best...any idea how to speed this up quicker than the 7hrs Mystery mentions? Hope I get lucky with my target selection?

Newly single girl here (and first post!). I've been running into this problem myself (obviously from the other side of the issue). I could maybe be persuaded into a ONS at the club if the guy was extraordinarily good-looking and confident, but more so I want a regular, no strings attached, nice guy, friends with benefits situation. I don't want to mess around with a friend, or someone in my extended circle of friends, so I'm kind of on the prowl for a guy that would be down for this.

Anyways, I will dance with guys at the bar, maybe make out with them, but I'm so weirded out by the whole "let's go somewhere else" thing. For one, I commute to university so when I go out I crash at a female friend's place. There's an expectation that I will go home with her and her roommates. Not that she would judge/care, but I would feel awkward telling her that I was leaving with some random.

But more than that, the logistics seem like it would be a hassle. I have no idea where the guy lives, if his place is going to be sketchy or his roommates will be creepy, if he is going to want me to leave after, how I will get home after, if I am going to have to get a cab (and how much that will be), and on and on ad infinitum.

So, I guess the take away message for you guys would be this: if you want a girl to go home with you, let the girl at least pretend that a group of you are going back to a friend's house to keep partying, or you are going to get food, etc. Also let the girl know that she can crash overnight if she "gets too tired" to meet up with her friends again. It would also help if your place was near the clubs, or better yet, near where all the students live. Also, if YOU don't look scummy, it makes me more likely to think that your place will be passably clean.





Oh and just a pet peeve from this past weekend's clubbing: don't high five your buddies if you are dancing with a girl. Tell your friends to STFU if they say things like, "Damn, she's hot!", or "Bro, you should totally bang this chick", or "Look at those titties". Get my drift? Not appealing. First off, why are they hovering, *watching*? Secondly, this just screams that you won't be discreet about any hookups. I usually just leave these guys and go dance with someone else. It's a big red flag for me that the guy will tell absolutely everybody he knows absolutely everything we did.

Haha thanks for the reply 828, lot's of good info. I'm also a college student but I don't particularly have this problem. I think a lot has to do with the fact that my school doesn't care about morals (top 10 party school).

The best advice I have would be to make everything an experience for a girl. My goal for the night isn't to bring a girl home, rather it's to enjoy myself at the party. Once I meet an HB with attraction developed I usually spend most my time with her through the night. If she leaves then I get her number and find the next one, but it really shouldn't be a big deal if you don't get a ONS.

Taking the girl back is all about comfort and confidence. Sometimes I'll bounce to her place first after the party or I'll just lead her back to my place which is usually very close walking distance. Also, a major reason it's hard to bring a girl back on the same night is your vibe. If you project the vibe your goal is to bring her home it ain't going to work as well as if it "naturally" happens. Lastly, make sure you go after the more outgoing HBs because they are more likely to be down with an ONS.

Great post FemmeFatalle! The only problem is that club venues are often very loud, so you can't realy talk. And often you don't know where her friends are.

I think it's also a numbers game. Some girls go home with you, others might not. Depends on the girl as well.

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It all depends on your actions and its just a thought, but maybe its not enough pull and too much submission. You have to constantly tell yourself, its a "game", and I know that when I'm playing a video game, I find it harder to keep my interests to go further in the game if every level is the same and its not as challenging. You might try to show disinterest and try to leave before she's ready for you to leave. This might push her to decide to leave with you while she's got the chance. Remember, playing to be submissive to her is playing "her" game. Hope this helps!

Good, helpsom advices.
I agree with the thought about "leaving before she's ready for you to leave".
I hooked up with this beautiful girl some weeks ago at a bar/club.
We had talked for a while, and had esculated a good sexual energy.
When we started kissing it boosted the sexual energy and the kisses were getting more and more sensual (with kino and all that stuff).
We kissed and talked for about half an hour, and suddenly while we were kissing I fell a need to see some of my good friends that were at another party (guess I missed them).
I stopped kissing her in the middle of a kiss, and told her that I was leaving to see some friends.
She looked very suprised at me and began to act needy.
At first she asked me to stay. Then she asked if she could join. I rejected all of it - only because I was in the mood to see my boys and have a good time with them only.
At last she asked for my number and we exchanged.
About an hour later she texted me that she was leaving the club were we had hooked up.
She further wrote that she didn't do it often, but would like to ask me if I wanted to join her at her place.
I did, and we had a good time (+ she paid the taxa - wuhu! )

This happends very rarely for me. I have thought about the situation and what I did right since it happend.
My conclusion to what I did right is this:
-Demonstrating that my friends come in first place no matter what.
-Leave her turned on - like pulling an orgasm as long as you can: the satisfaction will be much better when you climax.
-Suprise her with a "push/pull" by turning her down, but give her your number and say something like "catch you on the flipside" or more formal "let's get in touch sometime" - or the mysterious "let's see where the night ends".
(ONLY SAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS IF SHE HAVE ASKED FOR YOU'R NUMBER. If you do something like this, and she dosen't ask for you'r number, then leave it - if she dosen't ask for you'r number she might not be interested/turned on enough by you to f-close anyway).

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Yo guys heres a shout out from uni work in the UK

First and foremost read "conquer your campus" like all pua books take what you can from it you don't have to live by the rules but it is very useful in explaining do's and don't plus some social standing stuff which applies to Uni.

I'm with Aprovato on the whole visiting friends thing, it's true they've generally got less to loose than others. I'd really drive home the concept of being great to the friend they are supposed to be staying with as if you meet their approval you'll gain hers by extention and the visitor may ask that same friend if she minds if she goes home with you

Libertine Aim wrote about how he pulled away to see his mates at one point. Which in my eyes is perfect as you've just DHVed about your moral integrity regarding friends and showed you've got other options.

One thing I'd say that could help get her back to yours is baiting her. Bring up something awesome about your flat in conversation or tell her about a funny youtube clip, something along those lines that you can bring up after you've K-closed that you can ask her to come see for a bit (may be worth false time constrainting it too). This will give her the excuse to come over to yours and see the awesome thing, sex may just be a thing that "just happens". It eliminates the slutty concept to "hey wana come back to my place?"... I'm pretty sure this is MM stuff. Oh also if things don't go to plan you've got an excuse here too and save some face to some degree

Anywho I'm going to stop rambling now. Hope this stuff helps

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