I find that myself. I chose the job I currently have because I liked what I did. However my pay was cut due to the economy. I no longer enjoy the job even though I started out at it as something I like. When you tie that in with the fact that women do enjoy sex. It all makes perfect sense.

I see this hasn't been posted on in some time but I have a genuine question and input.

First the question. Could this occur in the mind of the PUA as well. For instance: The PUA becomes very involved in sarging and begins to do it just for the reward of closing and not for the joy of meeting new women; could he begin rationalizing the sex as "Payment" for the act he used to enjoy? (partying and meeting people)
If so, I think this may partially be what happened to me back when I bartended and DJed and got girls.

Second the input. This, I think is what happened with me and my last GF. The sex slowed, like in all relationships, but not too much; so, I started going above and beyond (not because of love) to get the sex happening more often(flowers and etc.). The more I participated in this behavior the the more the relationship fell.

Sorry for breaking rule 1. Just seemed like a relevent thought

I'm not posting often, but I read a lot. That's why I like reading you chief. pretty solid text and fluid, your knowledge is a plus for the community, good job!

great post. I like it a lot.

It's not breaking rule 1 if you're actually adding something of value like a genuine question like that.

I never actually thought about it in terms of it applying to the PUA like you said, but it makes sense and I can see how it would be possible. However, I think it would be more appropriate to apply operant conditioning here by saying that all the IOIs and sex from the girl would reinforce the PUA's pickup behavior. I know people who never get laid who got tired of partying and meeting new people all the time, so I don't think the same concepts of overjustification and the loss of intrinsic motivation applies here. IMO I think people who lose motivation to party are just shifting their focus to other, probably more substantial, things in life like career and love.

I was really glad that this thread was bumped. I immediately searched for the corresponding scientific journals for in depth study.

Since the old folk tale sample is a Pavlovian de-conditioning of diminishing rewards, I have also wondered how a Skinnerian conditioning approach (I think this is also operant conditioning as Chief mentions) would affect the idea/s behind this thread.

Operating in an Asian social context where hot babes are unusually pampered with free drinks, food and gifts, I was both concerned and interested in this thread since I use conditioning a lot for rewarding and punishing behavior in my sarges. But it's a Pavlov-Skinner conditioning approach based on the principle that unpredictable behavior (operant conditioning) can be addictive provided that you bait for the behavior first thru classical (Pavlov) conditioning.

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Hey chief, ive been reading a bunch of your threads lately and so far i like what im seeing keep it up

reading this thread made me realize i might have this problem myself. i would appreciate your take on it, if you will. you see, i enjoy reading wikipedia articles on the topics that interest me on my spare time. this is no less than an actual hobby of mine. call me nerdy. the problem starts here: some articles i label in my mind as 'work related', to be read later when im supposedly at my best concentration, since these are issues that may be relevant to my work. dont get me wrong, i am genuinely interested in the topic being discussed in the article. but because of this labeling i find myself reluctant to actually begin reading it, and i find excuses not to and i procrastinate and avoid. i would rather read any other article but not that specific article, as it became 'work' and not 'fun'. when i finally force myself to sit down and read it i find myself highly unmotivated as i was before, and that obvious has its detrimental effects on my learning. i, again, seek any opportunity to do something else other than to read that article. i feel it has become a major part of my life and it holds me back more often than not. Hell, even in pickup. I used to do a whole lot of reading on pickup material and ever since pickup became 'work' ive been stuck on the same damn book for far too long, procrastinating and avoiding. i used to finish books in days, now it became months upon months.

so my question to you is: is it possible to change this? can i reverse what my mind has labeled as 'work' to 'fun' again? if so, then how? i find that it is holding me back in all aspects of my life. my motivation is in the shits and a large part of my life turned to be work. i always thought of my work as being fun but it just doesnt cut it anymore. i need to get out of this mindset.

edit: i think i elaborated enough..if not too much lol. but if you need any more explanation, feel free to tell me. english is not my first language.

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