As insane as it might sound to somebody consumed with ideas implanted in their head in the community I think I have found the best way for me, (possibly you too) and it sure as shit doesn't have anything to do with any school of thought pedaled by the "MPUA GURUS" or any of these other ego driven concepts.

Encouraged by the words of some guys on here, in particular Chief whom I've always admired, I have undergone a gradual process unlearning almost everything the mainstream elements of community has taught me and become more and more honest.

I'm not particularly cocky or funny, so why should I try and be. I've never been into routines that are genuine and I have now eliminated routines from my "game" altogether. I never anchored or used language patterns in my day to day life, so why waste my time doing it.

and guess what.... I've never found it easier to get girls....more importantly...I've never found it easier to get the kind of girls I want.

I've come across this great thing I call....wait for it....honesty. WOW I KNOW, CARAZY!

Basically I walk up a girl and say "Hi, my name is Louis, how are you?"
I'm a friendly, fairly good looking guy and I've got a great smile. Women respond. So far I haven't been shut down, rejected, nothing less than a number close from a girl who when I called very politely told me she had a boyfriend and probably shouldn't have given me her number in the first place. We both laughed and went our own separate ways. Who cares right. There are 3.1 billion women on earth, I should be able to find a single one.

Anyways, now I'm dating three wonderful and I really do mean wonderful girls, all of whom are perfectly aware of the others and so far I've had two threesomes with two of them. Looking for a foursome, wish me luck boys.

It seemed in the community, the more I learned the less I knew. When I got sick I figured, who gives a shit, why bullshit, just tell the truth and hope for the best. Worked better than anything I could have hoped for.

I always feel like Sinatra or probably what our grandparents felt like talking to girls these days. Anyways, I'm rambling. Go out and be brutally honest and polite. YOU WILL NEVER REGRET IT!

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I don't know- maybe it's me but something about this post seemed a little like bragging and patronizing....not to mention- I don't recall anyone totally disavowing the concept of honesty.

However- just being some regular jerk ass isn't my style. e.g. "Hi, I'm M2, you sure are purtty" I want to be rare, priceless, charming, smart, sexy. If that means I game, I don't care. I am not shit-hot at the game.....yet- but I am working at it.

That said: I am left with several inescapable questions after reading this. Why are you still in the forum and/or practicing any variation of the "the game" if you have totally purged it from your life and completely bashed the entire lifestyle? What does that say for the young men who have turned to this community for help? Where would you be right now if you hadn't learned the game? A natural with tight ass skills? Doubtful.

I don't agree that chivalry is the way to go either- as if a 1950's courtship style is any less artificial than the current version, whether that is online, clubs, office or even the community itself. We live in a world and culture that is by definition artifical, in order to negate the world as it is we must substitute it with the one we choose.

I appreciate your commitment to a natural style of pickup, but this style along with all things in life have a time and place.

The game, if nothing more instils confidence in yourself to go out and talk to women and much more in life.
My view from the start has been to see it as a stepping stone, once you have got the confidence and feel comfortable with yourself, your environment and socialising then you will have the confidence and self pride to be yourself, act and talk to people as you, just being yourself, but first you have got to be able to be yourself.

Without confidence we are not ourselves, we speak to people and who we really are disappears.

I agree with what you said, it really is the best way to really pick up. But it isn't something any guy who really needs or wants help can just, do.

Baby steps.

Yes, that sure helps, but a lot of people here dont have that advantage...


Anyways, I am all for honesty and it does indeed help your game. But you make it sound like everything the community teaches is a load of crap. Which is not the case. Sure, you have outgrown the need of methods and routines because you have gotten something else out of the community, something that every single one of the struggling PUAs will also learn if they keep practicing. You have got experience, understanding and confidence... Plus strong inner game.

With that, you can do everything wrong and still succeed. So dont say you never got anything out of the community just because what you actually learned now comes so naturally to you that you dont even have to think about it...

Anyways, I wish you luck for the 4some!

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I'm certainly not saying everything in the community is crap. Hell, it worked for me for ages, but i've just found that although they did work as I unlearned things it all worked better.

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I do agree globaly with your post, but I have an objection:
If it was just that easy, then why are we all here? I can't believe that you haven't been shut down doing this, not even figuraly. Honesty is a good virtue but not always (that well) rewarded.[/quote]

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Ambitious to be succesfull => Shyler

great to hear, but i reckon you have just unlearned all the specifics, the routines and the trying, but you still have ingrained the principles that you have learned here...

you're the prize
all girls are disposable
don't be needy
etc etc

just as a few... and certainly not in any order or inclusive... you been applying principles learned here... imho... formed your own style and are now using that...

btw getting big into the honesty along with caveman...

"hi, ur hot... well not sure about the shoes/haircut/granny pants... but you are hot..." (the slight negs come naturally because of the constant pisstaking banter that is a sales environment)
smile
who are you here with?
etc etc


actually i find that saying etc etc if using a routine that you are bored with really works with girls and women...

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"the more i practice the luckier i get"
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"the more i practice the fuckier i get"
smashy

You're absolutely right. But it's also learning to actually convey as much of your real personality as possible. That way when she comes home with you, she doesn't get any nasty surprises. I can't think of a better way to "Leave her better than you found her" than by having a nice conversation and maybe more, all honesty, no bullshit.

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