So college is finally starting back up for me now (we're on the quarter system). Me and 3 of my fraternity brothers were coming home during an hour drive, and my one friend and I starting talking about pick up strategies because we just got into it. The other two are not familiar with it whatsoever. We dropped the pick up familiar friend off where his car was and proceeded to drive home. As we were pulling out of the parking lot my one friend asks me what an opener was because we had been discussing them. *Some brief history: one friend has been dating the same girl since he was in like 8th grade who he is happily engaged to. The other currently has a girlfriend, and has had a few others before her. He's naturally a very outgoing guy.*

I began to explain the point of an opener and how it works. The example I used was an opener I recently gave a shot at a party the day before (and it worked pretty well, btw). It goes as follows: "Hey, can I ask you a question? What would you think of a completely normal looking, decently attractive guy with pink fingernails? Like he carries himself well and is completely confident about everything." The answer was gay and weird.

He then told me that doing an opener seems deceitful and that I don't need to use some stupid line or dumb question to get a girl talking to me. I explained that its like an ice breaker and it doesn't really matter, it just gets their attention, so you can have better, more interesting conversation with them about whatever else. I tried explaining socially calibrated women to him, as well as how women's minds work on a more emotional level than logical when it comes to attraction. I explained "nice guys/AFCs" to him and why they come across as boring and forgettable. I also told him about the book "The Game" and Neil Strauss and Mystery and the history of PUAs.

In the end he said I was thinking of women as objects and illogical people. He was saying I should just be myself and women will like me how I am. I truly do believe I'm awesome, and my confidence in myself is growing everyday, but he cannot seem to grasp the concept that game is just a way to show women the greatest version of yourself in a quick way. He doesn't understand I'm not being fake or deceitful. He also referred to Neil Strauss as a wacko. Do any of you have a suggestion for how to explain this to him?

Say the following:
Believe what you want to believe, I don't care. But when you fail three more times I'm at your disposal.

You have a great friend. He is a little judgmental by calling someone he doesn't know a wacko. Besides that he had a good head on his shoulders. If I were you I would follow him around and learn from him. He has what is known as long term game, and a solid core. Those are great things to have.

You will never convince him that the game is good. Until he breaks up with his girlfriend or has some terrible accident where he reevaluates himself as a person. He doesn't need the game because his family gave him some through education.

Women are not stupid. Most of the women I have in my life are smarter than I am. They are not deceived because you ask them a question about someone's fingernails. They instantly know you want to sleep with them and you are entertaining.

My advice to you is to stop talking in the scientific terms. It's like trying to explain chemistry to a film major. It makes no sense.

Instead of saying the term opener just explain what it means. Say I go up and talk to girls to get a conversation going. I practice fun lines to try and get laid. I mean it is what it is.

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Walk Hard

If a guy has been dating a girl since he was around 14 years old, he just has no concept of meeting women. I mean good for him to find a woman he loves so early, but never had to do the work that any regular guy does to meet women. As for the second friend of yours, again, he has a girlfriend, so he sees that all as unnecessary. At the end of the day, if guys ask me why I learned this stuff, I stick to the simple explanation: "I wasn't good at talking to women, and I wanted to get better." I avoid terminology, books (since I haven't read any), and the aspects that make it sound cultish.

Just smile and say, "Respect" - then live your life the way you want to.

Please change your friend before you become a fucking basement dweller.

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When you realize that rejection doesn`t mean shit you`ll try to find a way how to kick your own ass for being an idiot.