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Introduction

After I wrote about my method of sexual escalation (ESP Model of Escalation) I have gotten a bunch a questions regarding the entirety of my method. Instead of writing some fancy over priced ebook I figure I would just make a post on here describing my method in great detail.

That said, the following is WHAT I USE to get laid with consistency. I do not claim to have reinvented the wheel when it comes to seduction so you may very will find there is some overlap between what I use and what you have read before. Its also likely that most of this could be new to you.

In addition, while the following works for me, some of it may not work for you. If you like something I do, give it a try and if it works for you, great! If not, discard it and use what does work.

In the future, I do plan on turning this into a ebook which will be given away on my website for free. That said, treat this as a rough draft and excuse all typos and grammar errors that you may well come across.

Jeff "WM" Stanton

Part 1: Foundations

Become Teachable

I chose to put this part first because its actually one of the most important things you will read in this book. While reading this you will undoubtedly come across information that contradicts stuff that you have read before. Instead of simply blocking the new information out I want you to have an open mind and consider it, perhaps even try it before you make any final judgment on it.

Basically, while reading this book I want you to have a completely open mind so that you are "teachable."

Money and Looks

This has been written about extensively before and if you have ever read a book on pick up I'm sure you have already read about this in great detail. In order to save time I'll simple mention this.

Lets first start with the green stuff known simply as money. While you may thing women will get turned on my any guy that obviously has a lot of cash, you would be wrong. I know many, many rich guys that cant get laid because they try to use their money to impress women; something you will learn is wrong.

In addition, when a women finds out you have money often times she will hold back on the sex and slip into a girlfriend role because she knows that you can be a provider.

Now lets talk about looks. This subject causes so many debates on pick up forums that its not even funny. What most guys fail to understand is that men and women look at physical beauty differently. If a man see's a women ina tight skirt and has sexy legs, she looks good to him. Women, on the other hand, look at many things before her mind determines if he is good looking.

How he is dressed
His body language
The way he is groomed
The way in which he carries himself
Physical Traits

As you can see, physical traits such as muscles and the like only makes up one small part of how a woman determines your looks.

So how does one improve his looks? Start wearing better clothes and make sure that they fit. Take a woman along who will give you an honest opinion and have her help you pick out some sexy clothes for you.

Hit the gym! Even if you have an ugly face, if you have big muscles you will still look physically hot to most women. Hit the gym wimp!

The way you carry yourself and your body language will be a direct result in how much you value you value yourself and the level of confidence you have. Reading the rest of this book and activity going out will help you get these two things taken care of.

3:1 Rule

Most guys never improve because they never go out. They simply stay inside and mentally masturbate by reading a ton of material. If you want to see some major improvement I suggest you follow my 3:1 rule.

How many ever hours of pickup theory you read, spend three times that infield meeting women and practicing. That means if it takes you an hour to read this book, spend three (or more!) infield before you study anymore theory. Doing so will cause you to progress faster and skip information overload.

Self Amusement

While your out meeting women you should always be having fun. Don't treat meeting woman as some daunting task that you dread doing. Make it fun because when it comes down to it, that's what really matters.

Also, by self amusing and making it fun for you, you avoid looking like a dancing monkey to the woman.

Remember this: When ever your talking to a woman, always ask yourself, "how can I make this fun for me?" and then do that.

Having fun is actually one of the biggest attraction switches there is. If your having fun the girl will be too. As long as your both having fun together she will like you and you can do a lot of things "wrong" and still pull her.

Remember, always make it fun for you!

Part 2 coming soon!

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Direct Game Exposed

The term “direct game” gets thrown around a lot here. But what exactly does it mean to “just go direct?”

Direct game is a very misunderstood concept here in our little community and its time for that to change. Its unfortunate but people seem to treat direct game (and “going direct”) to be some sort of tactic to use on women. This is horribly false.

Another good example of how direct game is misunderstood is how people have canned direct openers. Once upon a time I used to guilty of this as well. I used to approach women and be authentic and tell them exactly what I felt about them in that moment. It was authentic and real, never planned. 100% authentic feelings. Then, in order to streamline the opening process I came up with a canned “direct” opener. When I did that, opening wasn’t quite the success it used to be, that is, until I reverted back to being pure authentic. And thats what direct game truly is…

Being Authentic and 100% genuine in your intent, thoughts, and actions.

You can be doing direct game even if you open with a situational opener. Opening asking a chick for an opinion can be direct too so long as you actually want her opinion about something. (example: I was watching a debate on CNN at a coffee shop and I looked over and asked a chick which side of the argument she liked best)

Direct game isn’t some tactic you use, direct game is about expressing your true desire and being shameless about it. Its about being authentic and real with both yourself and the woman.

I’ll say it again…

Being direct is about expressing your true desires and being shameless about it.

Thats direct game. Its not a line, its not a tactic. Hope that helps to clear up some of the confusion and misconceptions.

She Feels What You Feel

This is what I call "The Golden Rule of Natural Game" because its that important and the foundation of many things.

So why exactly is this important and how can it help you?

Ever been in a situation and you was worried about it feeling awkward? I'm willing to bet that it started to feel that way. But what if you was comfortable and confident, because you felt comfortable she would too.

This also helps us with seduction. If you are feeling sexual and horny she will too. This is very powerful! Look, I know this sounds crazy but there is actual science behind it. Look up "mirror neurons" and then come back and tell me its bull shit.... its not.

So next time your talking to her and encounter a weird situation such as silence, just relax and be comfortable and she will be too. Women are always pinging off you looking for an indication on how to feel. Remember, she feels what you feel so long as what your feeling is the stronger emotion.

Leading

This is one of the corner stones of my method. In order to be a successful guy with women you have to get good at leading them, both physically and emotionally.

Leading them emotionally can be accomplished by using the golden rule of natural game we just talked about. You want her to feel sexual? Start feeling sexual and horny yourself.

Leading her physically is easy to. Its important to lead her around the venue. This doesn't have to be done all at once but over the course of the interaction naturally.

Take her hand and lead her to the bar. "C'mon, lets go to the bar." Take her hand an go. Be dominate about it and fully believe in yourself and it will work more times than not. Lead her body to where you want it to be. Position her where you want. Don't be afraid to get physical with her!

Leading her will create a string sense of attraction for you so don't be afraid to do so. Every time she complies with your leading shes investing more into you and the more she invent into you the deeper her sense of attraction will be.

If you like you can start out small and lead her into holding a drink for you. then have her move closer to you, then have her follow you...ect.

****Chief has a great post related to this. He calls it a "compliance ladder" and he writes about it in his outter game post sticked to the top of the forum.****

State.... and why its bullshit

State is simply where your feeling really happy and good. Many guys perform all these lame exercises and tactics in order to get into state. this is lame and serves no purpose. When I'm out I pay no attention to this "state" bullshit.

Go up to women, have fun by self amusing, and do everything else you will soon learn in this book and "state" takes care of it self. Pay not attention to state, its not a issue.

Myth of Value

Vale, one of the most misunderstood concepts in the community. I constantly get asked how a person can raise their value. I get asked about DHV stories, negs, and other value relating things all the time!

Guys, here is the truth about value:

Value is NOT that important!

Lets examine value for a second. Value is what makes you “acceptable” for a girl to talk too. Obviously if you have the “value” of a bum then your not as acceptable to talk to as a guy in a 10 thousand dollar suit.

Most guys know at east THAT much. Here is where the problem comes in. Guys get all obsessed with value and constantly worry about where their value is. They then try to manipulate both theirs and the girls value through DHV stories, negs, and other tools.

All of this, however, is counter productive to having a successful interaction leading to a solid close. Lets dive deeper into this:

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DHV Stories
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Stories that “Demonstrate Higher Value” are counter-productive. High value men do not go around trying to prove to women that their high value. High value men know that they don’t need to prove shit to a women and that the female is the one that needs to meet HIS standards. Trying to get a women to believe your high value is pretty gosh darn needy and on many levels, creepy!

If a high vale male tells a story, its to entertain himself and to have fun.

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Negs
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Negs are commonly used to “lower” a women’s perceived value. Here is the problem with this.

1) This assumes shes higher value than you and that you need to lower her value to that she will deem you “worthy.” The truth of the matter is, your the one who decides if shes worthy! No need to bring her value down.

2) High value guys actually RAISES her value. Its something I call Mutual Value Escalation. High Value Guys raise both his and her value because they have fun together! Also, a women loves a guy who she believes makes her more Valuable.

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Value: A New Outlook
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Now that we know DHV stories, Negs, and other value manipulating tactics are useless and counter productive, how should we view value?

When I approach a girl I honestly don’t even think of value. I don’t worry whre hers is at and I don’t worry about where mine is at. We are two people in a club (street, coffee shop…) both out for a good time. In my reality our value is the same. Its on a equal playing field!

Here is the truth: Just being fun, interesting, and non-creepy is value enough. Most guys she encounters will be pretty boring and creepy. But not you! You are different and that in itself gives you value.

Pop quiz! At the beginning I said Value was what?

“Value is what makes you “acceptable” for a girl to talk too.”

Ok, we know what value is now but what is our goal of even approaching the girl? Ultimately I’m going to guess you want to have sex with her.

Here is the problem: Value makes you acceptable to talk to. Girls find lots of guys acceptable to talk too, tons actually! But guess what, she doesn’t have sex with most of the guys shes talks too!

Ok, thats another piece of the puzzle! Value makes you acceptable to talk to but does not make the girl want to sleep with you. But, your goal is to sleep with her!

Using common sense now we can see that worrying about value (which most guys do to much) wont accomplish our goals. So what will?

Being sexual, sexual escalation, sexual tension, sexual state projection, and making her horny!

Most guys spend a ton of time on manipulating and worrying about value and not enough time on making her horny!

Next time you approach don’t worry about value, its a non-issue. Instead, maker her horny! Make her crave your manhood! Make her jump your bones!

Remember: Escalating IS giving value.

Part 3 coming soon

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Loose the Ego

A better way of saying this would be to perhaps say 'Dont take any of the interactions with women too seriosuly."

Your going to encounter a lot of rejection, specially at first. If you have some big ego built up, going out and meeting women will make it crumble down. Have fun, self amuse, and don't take any of this too seriously and it will stress you a lot less.

Entitlement

Entitlement is basically a fancy way of saying "you get what you feel you deserve."

Ask yourself this question, "do I deserve a super hottie?"

If not then you have some issues you need to take care of. I will tell you this though...

You are enough.

What I mean by this is that you dont need a fancy car, a nice house, or a huge bank account. Hell, I know plenty of ugly homeless guys who get laid by plenty of hot woman. Whats important is how you make women feel. After you read this book you will know how to make women feel what they want to feel and as such you will have the ability to get the hotties of the world.

Expression not Impression

This phrase was first coined by Alexander of Real Social Dynamics. Its just like it sounds. You should never try to impress women, its needy and try hard. No matter how slick you think you are, if your trying to impress women she can and will smell it a mile away and be turned off by it.

The solution is to express yourself.

Ask yourself when your interacting with women "am I coming from a place of trying to impress her or am I simply freely expressing my personality and who I am?"

Remember, never come from a place of impression. Express yourself and allow you to vibe with and connect better with her.

The Self is always shining thru

This relates to the above concept and is why you never want to try to impress. Woman are very intuitive and can sense when your not being 100% authentic and real with them. No matter how slick you think you are, dont even bother trying to put on a mask and be fake. You will slip up and you wont even realize it.

Playing to win

Its important that when interacting with a women, you play to win.

Most guys try to play it safe in hopes of not getting blown out or rejected. By doing that, they may not get blown out but their not getting laid either. At the end of the night their getting a handshake and a "nice to meet you" and nothing else.

Don't be afraid to escalate, lead, and make bold moves. Don't be afraid to go in for that kiss. Even if you don't get it you can try again.

"Women will forgive you for over escalating but they will never forgive you for being a pussy" - Jeffy

Stop trying to be perfect

I all the time see guys trying to make their interactions with women “perfect” and “mistake free.” This is actually a pretty bad goal to strive for.

You will never have a “perfect/mistake free” interaction and striving to do so will only put you inside of your head and cause you to worry.

The “game” is played in damage control.

Making mistakes and recovering from them really only helps you so long as you don’t let those mistakes bother you.

Making bold moves is attractive but sometimes the bold movies will backfire. Recovering from this (damage control) is also attractive.

Stop worrying about doing everything perfect, it will never happen. Remember, the game is played in Damage Control

Interact, have fun, fuck up, recover and fuck the girl.

Part 4 coming soon

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great stuff warped..

you know, i never thought of DHV like that.. it makes sense!

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I fully agree on the DHV part.
I never DHV because I don't feel the need to. A person with high confidence has allready got high value. Why try to look cool when looking cool is far cooler?


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Thanks for the comments guys. Part 4 will be coming in the next few days.

Here is what I have left:

Finishing out this chapter on foundations

and then chapters on:
Opening
Escalation
Vibing
Closing the Deal

I also recently recorded an audio called "Getting hotter women" which I will probably post up for download.

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What I mean by this is that you dont need a fancy car, a nice house, or a huge bank account. Hell, I know plenty of ugly homeless guys who get laid by plenty of hot woman. Whats important is how you make women feel. After you read this book you will know how to make women feel what they want to feel and as such you will have the ability to get the hotties of the world.
Not read the whole post yet but it looks a good read, was just skimming and saw this.

You know plenty of homeless guys that get laid by hot women? Really?


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What I mean by this is that you dont need a fancy car, a nice house, or a huge bank account. Hell, I know plenty of ugly homeless guys who get laid by plenty of hot woman. Whats important is how you make women feel. After you read this book you will know how to make women feel what they want to feel and as such you will have the ability to get the hotties of the world.
Not read the whole post yet but it looks a good read, was just skimming and saw this.

You know plenty of homeless guys that get laid by hot women? Really?
He said it to make a point. Probably an exaggeration or perhaps renting might not count as having a home.


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I absolutely love this, however I'd have to say that when I go in an interaction I already have the Higher Value mindset. That means that woman constantly have to prove themselves to me and I don't have to use DHV spikes or negs, they already know I project high value and usually this helps my game. They basically have to entertain me and if they don't, they lose me. I think that if I went in an interaction and treated them as equal valued I'd have the change my whole dynamics.


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I agree with the DHV shit man. That can really fuck you up. Always trying DHV yourself, instead of living in the moment. I think as long as you don't look like a bum, you'll do ok.


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Very good perspective, i like thinking you can get girls without being an asshole to them


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Direct Game Exposed

The term “direct game” gets thrown around a lot here. But what exactly does it mean to “just go direct?”

Direct game is a very misunderstood concept here in our little community and its time for that to change. Its unfortunate but people seem to treat direct game (and “going direct”) to be some sort of tactic to use on women. This is horribly false.

Another good example of how direct game is misunderstood is how people have canned direct openers. Once upon a time I used to guilty of this as well. I used to approach women and be authentic and tell them exactly what I felt about them in that moment. It was authentic and real, never planned. 100% authentic feelings. Then, in order to streamline the opening process I came up with a canned “direct” opener. When I did that, opening wasn’t quite the success it used to be, that is, until I reverted back to being pure authentic. And thats what direct game truly is…

Being Authentic and 100% genuine in your intent, thoughts, and actions.

You can be doing direct game even if you open with a situational opener. Opening asking a chick for an opinion can be direct too so long as you actually want her opinion about something. (example: I was watching a debate on CNN at a coffee shop and I looked over and asked a chick which side of the argument she liked best)

Direct game isn’t some tactic you use, direct game is about expressing your true desire and being shameless about it. Its about being authentic and real with both yourself and the woman.

I’ll say it again…

Being direct is about expressing your true desires and being shameless about it.

Thats direct game. Its not a line, its not a tactic. Hope that helps to clear up some of the confusion and misconceptions.




Bro this is gold! fucking genius!

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