Okay so i have forgotten all about the social value in this game, and how important it actually is. Now im trying to figure out ways to display social value.

One of them that I do without even noticing is when I open a set, and a friend comes by (all my friends are like we should let him be by himself, but they still walk pass me when I am in a set) so to me they want in. So i always use "Hey bro, whats up? this is X and Y". This is a social value that means im the leader of my group since I bring them in the conversation.

Are there any other ways to display social value?

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There are 2 kinds of people when you boil it all down, you got your talkers and you got your doers.
Most people are just talkers, all they got is talk, but when all said is done it's the doers who change this world.

-You can demonstrate social value by walking in a place with at least 5 girls surrounding you or hooked to your arms
-Talking to the bartender or waving to the bartender (you previously talked to) when you are in a conversation with a girl. ( i usually small talk with the bar tenders, asking them about new original drinks or shots and tip them alot. I usually get free shots) (which can also grow your social value.)
-Befriend the DJ. Get to know your Dj material and ask the Dj about his stuff, like what platform he uses and shit.
- Also you can do a forcing IOI to an other set/lady while your already talking to one. So when ever your bored just switch to the next set. Always talking to someone demonstrates higher value.

P.S. I used to buy drinks to girls even though it is against the PUA code....bad idea it lowers your social value and you stand out as needy. Buy drinks to your friends but never to a women you wanna attract. Your making her job to easy. That is the thing men do the most and remember "the PUA is the expception to the rule"- Mystery

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Be as you wish to seem - Socrates

I have to disagree with you.. presenting a friend to a girl you just met is not a DHV spike/social proof at all man.. you're not showing any dominance or any kind of attractive quality. You know what is social value? Your friend passes near you and he gives you a tap on the shoulder. Neil Strauss explains how this helps in The Game. That is social proof. Like T_Rex said.. befriend the DJ is a great way to gain proof.. knowing the bartender.. knowing a lot of people that are in the field.. having girls near you when you enter the club is fucking crazy..every head's going to turn around asking: Who the hell is that guy?! . And that's it.. why the hell would you want to present your friend to your target when your both alone man? She's allready isolated and you can build report.. and you want to introduce her to your friend?? That doesn't make any sense and you're not gaining any social proof by doing it. I sarge with my wingman and trust me when I'm in a one on one set.. just him passing near me, we look at each other giving a small tap on the shoulder meaning: Hey man! It does help a lot! What you can also do is let's say your with a wingman.. you let him open your target and he will raise your social value by saying things to her about you.. : Wow I'm meeting with this great friend today..he's like the best guy ever.. he's in bla bla.. he DHV's you and than you come in.. He's going to present you to her and than your friend needs to find an excuse to leave.. That is once again another method to raise social proof! Now have fun my friend! Peace out!

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1)talk to alot of people, always be talking to someone, never be alone just wandering
2)use body language that conveys that people are seeking rapport with you not the other way around
3)instead of seeking rapport with your friends and pulling them in introducing them to the girls, take the girls around the bar and open sets with them, start with either lets go make some friends, or I want you to meet my friends, depending on where you are taking them, this is most desired of a 2 set or a lone girl, if you open the whole bar/club with 2 girls you will find it is easier to hook/re-open later if you re-approach you can also pawn the girls off and make social status jokes that the girls will understand and most guys wont, tell people that the 2 girls are your hookers and your a pimp, 500$ for the night etc. set some sort of role play set up where you are the boss and they are beneath you, take note when a girl is trying to do this to you and re-frame, making the girls come with you not only helps you gain social proof but constantly leading them helps you gain compliance from the set you are pulling around, not only that but it is fun

if you are a leader in the group does that not give you low value?
I thought you all have to be equal.
If you hang with a low value man than it will lower your value.

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mr lover lover

No.. you must be the leader of the group.. DHV all the way.. but presenting a friend to your target is not a quality of leadership.. it's just nonsense.. you put an obstacle in your goal of fucking that girl.. why would you want to do that?

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Valentyn dude...read the reply before posting. What hearthjacker is saying makes alot of sense. Being a leader is willing to accept your teams defeat and weakness. In a sense you're as weak as your weakest link. But being the Alpha male is kind of being the leader without any sort of responsibility. Its just showing you're in charge. But to a certain extent you will be judged by others for the people you hangout with, your team. So be careful always to surround yourself with people who portray what you want to be portrayed as.

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Be as you wish to seem - Socrates

Women are hardwired from the beginning of times to be attracted to the leader or the strongest of a tribe in order to ensure their survival and that of her children. By being the leader of the group, you automatically convey these values and WILL be the most attractive guy of the group.
You can either be a leader or a follower so it's important for you to be the LEADER.

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Dinosaur.. what you say makes perfect sense..but he said that he thought that being a leader is DLV... which is really not.. it's one of the four spikes of DHV.. being the leader of men.. bein preselected.. being the protector of loved ones.. and being someone that can get pissed off is something wrong goes on (I don't know what's the theory name of the last spike) .. so I was just trying to say to him that he should not think that being the leader is lowering your value. DJ FUJI: "when you have the oppurtunity to lead, you have to be the first one that does it.. you make the group follow you...".. Also.. I do believe that if you hang out with low value peopele.. you will have your value lowered.. but if you show signs of alpha-dominance.. there's a high chance that your value didn't lower drastically..

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Well said!!

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It's actually social proof, you have friends tadaa.
Also introducing a (male) friend to a girl and make it look like you're trying to hook them both up, is a good tactic. No girl likes being hooked up. She will take some distance from him and you showed her that you're not needy

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It's your friend.

There are a bunch of posts in here that I want to respond to, so I'll respond to the lot:

Don't introduce your friend to your girl. If anything, ask him about another girl. Touch him on the arm or shoulder in a friendly way, and just say "Hey man, did Steph leave?" or something similar. This is a tactic wingmen often use to ask to enter a set, but it also gives great social proof. Not only do you know this guy, you also both know a girl, implying a whole social circle behind the scenes. Don't introduce them, it's too much like saying "Hey bro, look at this hot girl! She's so cool!" It gives her way too much value and there's no need for that.

Being a leader is great, girls love it, in a group you'll get the most attention, and that's amazing. That said, I COMPLETELY believe that you should surround yourself with the most alpha guys you can find. Earn their respect and respect them in return. That way they'll be bringing new and attractive girls into your life, you will be associated with an elite crowd, and you'll never be embarrassed by one, which is the worst feeling you can have for a wing.

My closest friends and I always try to back each other up when we talk. You can often tell who likes you and who doesn't by who laughs when your joke isn't all that funny, and who responds to the comments you make. Always appreciate the things your friend has to say. If you're always backing each other up, girls will catch the cue to laugh, you'll always be having fun with each other, and there's no need to appear alpha, you all become very high value and confident.