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But my biggest take away from yesterday is that no is not always mean no lol. Persistence is an important thing that I need to incorporate in my game more.

I do not like persistence when it comes to women...I like i do not need you attitude, i rather lose you than chase you attitude...

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But my biggest take away from yesterday is that no is not always mean no lol. Persistence is an important thing that I need to incorporate in my game more.

I do not like persistence when it comes to women...I like i do not need you attitude, i rather lose you than chase you attitude...
This is why i like posting what I think about something for someone that has far more experience to chime in thanks fo reply on all my post :D

I like that mindset and I have read it a lot. I didn't think inner game is that important but I will definitely work on this. Maybe that something that I'm missing and should solidify my game.

Got any recommendation for a good read/guru that got you started on it? I need to get your mind set (I dare you to reject me) and fully believe it. I can say it now but I don't believe 100%.


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But my biggest take away from yesterday is that no is not always mean no lol. Persistence is an important thing that I need to incorporate in my game more.

I do not like persistence when it comes to women...I like i do not need you attitude, i rather lose you than chase you attitude...
This is why i like posting what I think about something for someone that has far more experience to chime in thanks fo reply on all my post :D

I like that mindset and I have read it a lot. I didn't think inner game is that important but I will definitely work on this. Maybe that something that I'm missing and should solidify my game.

Got any recommendation for a good read/guru that got you started on it? I need to get your mind set (I dare you to reject me) and fully believe it. I can say it now but I don't believe 100%.


I do not like any pua gurus for inner game, i like, don't laugh, Joel Osteen( a pastor) lol, first 2 books...but if you like pua gurus, i heard the blue print by rsd...If you want to master dance game, wait for my book and videos, i cover everything needed to know about club game, like a baby...

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I do not like persistence when it comes to women...I like i do not need you attitude, i rather lose you than chase you attitude...
This is why i like posting what I think about something for someone that has far more experience to chime in thanks fo reply on all my post :D

I like that mindset and I have read it a lot. I didn't think inner game is that important but I will definitely work on this. Maybe that something that I'm missing and should solidify my game.

Got any recommendation for a good read/guru that got you started on it? I need to get your mind set (I dare you to reject me) and fully believe it. I can say it now but I don't believe 100%.


I do not like any pua gurus for inner game, i like, don't laugh, Joel Osteen( a pastor) lol, first 2 books...but if you like pua gurus, i heard the blue print by rsd...If you want to master dance game, wait for my book and videos, i cover everything needed to know about club game, like a baby...
Lol hey if it works can't argue with results.

I'll look into that.

When do you plan to release yours?

I need something that will help me move to the next level. I just feel like I've tried methods after methods and tried to improve but I'm just stuck. Kinda like a sticking point I guess. I hope it's not something simple too that I just missed hahaha


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Well as you can tell i have horrible spelling and grammar, so it will take me a long time cause dance game is too complex but for now follow the mistakes, here, is a rough draft from my book:



Mistakes guys make at the club:

1.- hanging out with too many guys: I recommend you hang out with maximum one other guy, if you are alone better cause woman lets intimidated and can even come up to you(happens to me all the time). Also if you hang out with other guys, everybody meet at the club driving separate cars. Why? Cause if you hook up and he does not, he will be like lets go, or you kill the chances of taking the girl home or to your creep. Also if you hang out with a guy or guys with not game or that do not have high value, it will bring your value down with them. Moreover, when there are too many guys it creeps women out, it looks like a pack of wolf trying to pray on a rabbit. I hang out BY MYSELF, sometimes I have a wing friend that I meet at the club, but if he is having an off night, or he lower his value by making mistakes, I hang out alone.

2.- Parking.- some guys stand in the middle of the dancefloor looking for targets without moving, that is creepy and lowers your value, you need to either park outside of the dancefloor, or be dancing having fun, I usually go to a corner or a spot outside of the dancefloor and dance, then when they play a good song or I see a girl I like I approach her inmidiately.

3.- Looking at a girl multiple times: if you make eye contact with a girl, do not break eye contact, just go up to her and say: “how you are going to look at me like that and not say anything, come on lets dance” or better yet do not break eye contact go up to her and dance. Do not keep looking at her and looking at her and looking at her, that is creepy and shows lack of confidence, try to use the 3 second rule, THREE-SECOND RULE—noun: a guideline stating that a woman should be
approached within three seconds of first seeing her. It is intended to prevent the man from thinking about the approach too much and getting nervous, as well as to keep him from creeping the woman out by staring at her for too long. Origin: Mystery.
4.- Grabbing or touching when opening: when you INITIALLY approach the girl do not grab her hand or touch her, the only exeption to this rule is when they play latin music, or latin beats for example shakira/ricky martin/pitbull or Regetoon. After you are in the set and she has not reject you then little by little escalate.
5.-Chasing: Do not chase women around, even if you are dancing with her and she walks away, just act neutral keep dancing or open another girl or set. Also sometimes the women will try to shit test you by dancing with another guy, let her do it, do not chase, you are the prize, no matter how tempted you get to do that. Remember to get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl. They do this too me ALL THE TIME, they end up coming back.
6.- Buying girl drinks and flowers: Do not buy girls drinks or flower, if you already made out with her and she is into you maybe, up to you, but I would not. If a girl ask you to buy a drink, say:”Of course” do you have 10 dollars. Most girls do not ask guys to buy a drink specially if she knows the guy has game, usually what I do is a say go ahead I will be right here or if she goes to the bar and she wants me or give me indications that she wants to go with me I go with her but I stay 5 step back like waiting for her playing stupid, like I have no idea what is happening and dancing, do not look at her give her your back keep dancing.

7.- No getting hints: Sometimes the girl will move away, stop dancing when you approach or her friend will Hugh her dancing(rescue mechanism), or she would give you body languages sign that they want to be left alone etc. and the guys stay there like idiots, or do not get the hints. If you are with your wing and the girls reject you, by Hugh dancing the girl, do the same shit with your wing while giving them the back, they will be embarrassed.

8.- Being too aggressive or not being aggressive: You need to push pull, turn her on but also pull back a bit, the go back to turn her on then pull back, but do not be all over her to a point that she feels violated, watch my dancing videos I show you how to do it right. Your goal when dancing is minimum make out.
9.- Not engaging the group: if she is with guys and girls you have to engage the whole group while dancing I do this by dancing with everybody including the guys(no gay shit but like grabbing hand and jump in back and forth in hip hop/reggae for example) or encouraging everybody to dance.
10.-Approaching difficult sets: If you see that the girls are into themselves in their on world rejecting people left and right. Or they are with guys, or you saw them they were into the guy, and he just went to the bathroom, approach other sets that are not as complicated. With that being said, Approach everybody I am just saying difficult sets with easy sets probably go to the easy set first.
11.- fighting.- I am a martial artist, there will be incidents guys trying to fight you, or girls that are crazy and want to fight cause they bump into you or you are trying to dance with a girl, whatever no fighting under any circumstances it will lower your value, you will be banned from the club, and the bouncers will beat the crap out of you, then you will get arrested, bail bond 5k plus a night in jail. Just leave or ignore and leave.

12.- leaning in: No matter how loud the club is to not lean in to talk to a women your back has to be straight as a wall do not lean even if is loud, do not lower your head, your head and back always straight when talking, if she wants to talk go to hear ear put a your thumb finger in hear ear(so it does not so loud like you are screaming and talk), but try not to talk, if you do, no leaning in.

13.- coming from behind: I do not recommend coming from behind, because is what every other loser does, there is nothing original about that, plus she has to turn around to see who is there, and if you get rejected looks really bad.
14.- Bumping the girl, or dancing back(her back) to back(your back): Shows lack of confidence and again what every other loser does.
15.- Asking the girl to dance: Do not ask girls if they want to dance, and if they say no do not beg, and worst after she said no asking her friends, what do you think they are going to say. NO TALKING! NO CONVERSATION, NO PICK UP LINES, NO OPENERS, NO OFFERING DRINKS, SPECIALLY ON LADIES NIGHT (free drinks)
16.- Having too much high energy or too low energy: Your energy level have to be slightly higher than the set you are opening, too much high energy and the set will think you are a loony. Low energy you will lost the set cause you will bring them down.

17.- Being a Dancing Monkey: I see excellent dancers in Clubs, with a all of the club attention but no girls, or if they are with girls, girls that are their friends, they never or hardly ever hook up do not be a dancing monkey. I do from time to time go into the circle or dance flashy to call attention for never more than a song or to, if there are hot girls around, just for dhv. Then I run my regular club game.


18.- Getting too drunk: I do not recommend drinking, if you do just enough to loosen up, drinking will fuck up your game, get you into fights, get you in trouble, not only that it is very expensive.
19.- Long term memory: You have to be like an nfl quarterback after throwing an interception(Brett Farv) for example, you need short term memory, if you get rejected, or things do not go your way, you need to forget about it INMEDIATELY, and move on, but you need to go back to a confidence, fun, cool state, and not stay all night thinking: what did I do wrong? Why she diss me? Maybe I am ugly or all that shit we put in our heads. You need a strong inner game. Believe it or not the best guru for inner game in my opinion is a Pastor by the name of Joel Osteen get his books, and watch his television shows.
20.- Lack of Calibration: CALIBRATE—verb: to read the verbal and nonverbal responses of a person or group and accurately deduce what they are thinking or feeling at that moment. Origin: Richard Bandler and John Grinder. I get into fights all the times in the pua forums with people that lack calibration, Dance game is totally different than regular game. In regular game you are not suppose to buy drinks or take orders from women, neither in dance game but you need to calibrate let me illustrate with couple of examples: One time I met a girl that has not gone out to a club in more than 15 years cause she was married, just got out of the relationship, was struggling financially due to the bad economy, was into me and wanted to take me home. We were having a good time, till she ask me to buy her a drink, I went into pua mode and I said: Do you know who I am I do not buy girls drinks, they buy me drinks. Then I told her to go back with her friends I had to go. In that example all I showed is that I was a jerk off and a cheap ass, when I called her 3 days later no response, and I guarantee you that night she wanted a SNL.
Another example is this one from the pua forum from a member name phagan:
"A case in point from tonight - a 3 set. HB7s. I start dancing with one of the chicks, getting closer, closer... making out. Great. We dance for maybe 3-4 minutes, making out a few more times, I make sure to always be the one who breaks it off. She puts her hand under my shirt, she looks at me all seductive... it's on. Then she takes a step back and tells me "dance!", looking at the floor in front of me as if giving me instructions to "dance for her"... so I come closer to her and say "I don't take orders from anyone" and back off a little, still inside her air space, smiling, not angry or anything... just being my cool self, the same self she was making out with 20 seconds earlier. "

According to PUA rules/textbook, what he did was to follow his teachings. But as you can tell there is lack of calibration, all he had to do was to dance with the girl seductively, he blew up his chances.

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Well guilty of #1, sometimes #4 and occasionally #18 lol and #20 is depends on the day.

#4 is easy to remove I'll try removing it all together next time I go out and see.

#20 seems to be a complicated 1. Some nights I'm right on and others I'm ok.

I have a question about #1. I usually go with 4+ guys but when we get inside I'm usually solo or with my friend who's a natural. Does it matter if you go solo or did you mean in the club solo?

We have a big group of friends that goes clubbing like on average we go with 7-8 ppl not always all guys but we do get hook up to places (friends are xpromoters so they know people or dj so I think it's dhv more than anything) what do you think? But I do hope you mean inside cuz they get me in a lot of places for free lol


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Well guilty of #1, sometimes #4 and occasionally #18 lol and #20 is depends on the day.

#4 is easy to remove I'll try removing it all together next time I go out and see.

#20 seems to be a complicated 1. Some nights I'm right on and others I'm ok.

I have a question about #1. I usually go with 4+ guys but when we get inside I'm usually solo or with my friend who's a natural. Does it matter if you go solo or did you mean in the club solo?

We have a big group of friends that goes clubbing like on average we go with 7-8 ppl not always all guys but we do get hook up to places (friends are xpromoters so they know people or dj so I think it's dhv more than anything) what do you think? But I do hope you mean inside cuz they get me in a lot of places for free lol

That is fine i am saying kind of like 4 guys in the dance floor approaching girls at the same time... Or standing around all together looking for victims, or hanging around guys that have low value in the eyes of women...20.- will come with experience..

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50% success rate??? dude I'm like at 2%


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50% success rate??? dude I'm like at 2%
I hope you actually read the post because it's venue %.
meaning if I go clubbing 10 times I would meet girls on 5 of those venue(roughly)
2% seems really low, cant be that low.


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And how many girls do you approach per night?


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Ok well in that case I'm like at 30%. But it all depends who I'm with, and whether I'm in the mood to pick up. I thought you meant 50% success rate on closing.

Truth be told I just suck at approaching, I don't really know what to say. Wanna avoid the "how's it going" crap


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And how many girls do you approach per night?
A Lot. My game isn't that solid so I play the numbers game. On night that I'm off I feel like I approached all th girls in the club. But when I'm on fire I sometimes only approach a hand full and would have closed two or 3 of those. Usually I find a girl that I would spend the rest of the night with. This is what I want anyways. So to me until I can do this constantly my game isn't solid.


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Ok well in that case I'm like at 30%. But it all depends who I'm with, and whether I'm in the mood to pick up. I thought you meant 50% success rate on closing.

Truth be told I just suck at approaching, I don't really know what to say. Wanna avoid the "how's it going" crap
Why does it matter who your with? You guys don't end up splitting up in the club? When I get inside I usually end up solo or with a friend whose a natural. But most of the time I run solo game.

The mood to pick up in my eyes is overcome with experience. You can feel like you don't feel like picking up women but if you have solid game it won't matter.


And it's best if you read this whole thread you'll get a lot out of it since your still struggling with approach. And dance game = no talking.


Ignore my field report about talking to hb8+ I was jut messing around and it's in trial stage lol skills said no talking no matter what and his probably right but his at a way higher level than me.


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guys all this number and percentages irrelevant all you need is one freaking girl to take home, who cares... With that being said i make out nasty minimum 3 girls a night, i get pretty bored though...Believe it or not i like to have fun and dance, getting stuck with a girl all night is boring, unless a really cool/fun girl. There are nights were there are a bunch of hbs, i go home alone, there are nights were there are no hb and i land a freaking hb, clubs have a sense of humor... It is weird sometimes you feel like shit you get a bunch of girls, sometimes you feel in top of the world nothing. Even when i am with my old friends they say"hey i thought you were the man" and nothing all of a sudden when you least expect it you take a girl home...The field is weird and unpredictable, so are women...

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And how many girls do you approach per night?
A Lot. My game isn't that solid so I play the numbers game. On night that I'm off I feel like I approached all th girls in the club. But when I'm on fire I sometimes only approach a hand full and would have closed two or 3 of those. Usually I find a girl that I would spend the rest of the night with. This is what I want anyways. So to me until I can do this constantly my game isn't solid.

Do not force approaches, my opinion! As i said you need 1 girl, focus more on having FUN, having a good time...

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