Met an amazing girl through a social circle, hang out a few times, fun a social vibe...

One night I gamed her, I took her away from the club and from our friends. Spent whole night talking, dancing salsa in the middle of the street, holding hands... Went for the kiss twice, didn't get it. I was like I got myself a girlfriend, and she definitely is a girlfriend material.

Next day I take her on date and still I don't get a close. I get really pissed off, label her as a time waster, which I tell her and night ends awkwardly.

Now I see her from time to time, don't pay much attention. I do c&f on her, do all kinds of roll play, last time I picked up two Icelandic girls in from of her

I talked to my female friend last night and she tells me to be patient and persistent cause I really fucking like her and care about her.

Do some of you have experience with situations like this? And what would you do?
I'm seeing her tomorrow, we are writing some essey, two of us.

edit: I see there is already topic Persistence which really relates to this.

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I have to return some videotapes...

You got rejected 3 times and still do not get it? Dont be the begging for a mercyfuck guy.

Move along, why waste your time? Why do you like her? She was friendly to you but nothing more, she clearly showed you that she wanted a friendship and nothing more. You misinterpreted her signals.

The word you are looking for is: Next

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Ezo, my thoughts exactly.

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I have to return some videotapes...

You kind of killed it when you got pissed off and insulted her. That comes across as immature and insecure. There is a difference between negging, teasing, and insulting. Telling her she is a waste of your time is hurtful.

Well that doesnt really matter for him since she wasnt interested in the firstplace...

The only thing that mattered is that he made her feel bad just to spite her... Not cool, but I can understand that he was frustrated and stuff. An alpha male can take failures better than that, try to work on that and you will have come a bit further on your inner game.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Ezo, I think you're right and she wasn't interested in the first place.

Please tell me this. Why would someone comply to all of that if not interested? (and she wasn't) I don't have an answer to this. I've never had a girl before who would walk with me and hold hands with fingers crossed and not kiss her at least.

I much more respect a girl who will blow me off cleanly than a girl who will comply and invest.

60 talks about this, about yellow girls who are just shy and those who are not interested. I still have a problem separating those two kinds...

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I have to return some videotapes...

Guys, Saying Move Along Isnt Good Advice, its Advice, But Barely... For the Guy who Started the topic and for the People Reading trying to Gain Knowledge, Be More Specific, Try and Help, See what he Did Wrong Etcc, and Help Others Build Stronger Game. Were a Community, where in this together and Trying to Help eachother Grow and Become Better.!

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RAFC , Progress is Great

aNewLife, Next is the right word. Plain and simple. In this case, at least.

Thanks guys.

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I have to return some videotapes...

Well, to explain it a bit better then:

A girl wouldnt really invest much in a guy she isnt interested in. But walking holding hands isnt a big deal. Hugging, kissing, hands holding, those are not promises for something to come, those are comfort builders.

As for respecting some people more than others... I feel that your statement comes from disappointment, which I understand but remember that she is a girl and she has a different wiev of the world. She knows that she can get a guy easily, she can afford to play along and see how she likes it, she calls the shots.

A lot of this is frustrating to guys since we (as AFCs) dont call the shots. And many of us are in the game to do just that, take back the power. And I hope that we will behave nicely once we do.

But I must say that she was pretty nice to you, she showed you in a good way that she liked you but not as much as you might have liked her to.

Practice reading girls, it gets easier...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Thats what im talking about, See i Actually Not even as the Orginal Poster, But as a Reader Gained/Learned Something from that!

Not to take over the topic, but because were already talking about it now, What do you mean she calls the shots? I Mean i know Most HB9-10's Do but isnt that what Negs and Stuff are for? To take her Power away and Gain Control of the Frame?

And @Defy, i Guess that is the Plain and Simple Answer, figured id help you out though and Shed some light for you, Because Just in my own Opinion, Id Rather Get Advice Rather then a couple Words. Glad you got what you needed to hear though Bro. Happy Gaming!

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RAFC , Progress is Great

Calling the shots... I mean in real life.

Sure with negs and stuff you can control the 3 first minutes of the conversation or even more but that is just during the sarge.

I mean that women have the upper hand since 99% of the men out there are "chasing" them. Men are such suckers for just about any girl they may fuck that they will sell out their entire power just to get into her panties.

For a normal girl there will always be a line consisting of more men than you, that are willing to have sex with her, for an average man... You are in the line, there isnt a line of girls waiting their turn with you. So it is her market. She calls the shots. She can select.

This is of course until real feelings get involved.

And whatever techniques you use, you will never call the shots until you are in the position that you can choose to reject a girl because a better one is just a phonecall away.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Im Positive you know more then me when it comes to Pickup and Get More Girl's Seeing as i only been dedicated at this for 5 Months and Still Learning. But Let me Share my thoughts about your View, and tell you Mine and see what you think.

"I mean that women have the upper hand since 99% of the men out there are "chasing" them. Men are such suckers for just about any girl they may fuck that they will sell out their entire power just to get into her panties"

If you Portray yourself That You Give 2 Fucks About them, You Stand out, Way i See it is, I Keep all my Power, Call the Shots, Be Calm, Cool, Confident, and Collected and let her Come to me once shes Locked So i dont Give off that vvibe, But your point stands, That is the Truth now'days.

"For a normal girl there will always be a line consisting of more men than you, that are willing to have sex with her, for an average man... You are in the line, there isnt a line of girls waiting their turn with you. So it is her market. She calls the shots. She can select."

Right off the Bat i let her Know Im Pre-Selected, She isnt the Only Girl and I Can Give a Fuck if She decides to go, One Phone Call and Ill Have a Girl Greeting her as the other girl comes up and She Leaves. I also use a nice affective Routine to show this involveing her.
I'll Give her a Number and She'll Be Girlfriend #38 or whatever, She Auto-matically knows theres Other Girls Above her and works Nicely.

Those are just my thoughts not Fireing any shots at you my man. We can only grow if thoughts are shared along with Opinions.

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RAFC , Progress is Great

Epilogue: I've seen her today, we've hung out for 4 hours and had great time. And we're going out tomorrow night. Just cause she doesn't wanna sleep with me, doesn't mean we can't be friends.

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I have to return some videotapes...

Hey man, I dont take offense at all, no problems. I enjoy discussing things and that is what the forum is about, sharing and talking about PU...
Well, the fact is that men gives an insane amount of fucks about girls. And the lower he is on the social ladder the fewer girls he will have a shot at and thus each girl gets more important. Meaning, the bigger loser you are, the higher amount of fucks do you give. Of course, until you start having feelings for her.

I understand that you are new and I take my time telling you these things because I think that you can learn from it and that it will help you. I have many years experience in being a PUA and insanely many years experience being a loser so I know...

In a sarge, you have not got any connection yet, you cannot know who she is. If you start caring about her from the beginning you do that based on her looks or that she is female. Not good. Instead you should start caring when you really know who she is and at least find something apart from looks that you like. And I do not mean that she smiled once in 5 minutes.
Problem is, that has to be subtle, if it is too obvious it shows that you are trying to impress her. And that means that you need to push it because you dont believe it yourself. Which means that it isnt true. So be careful not to come off too strong on that.

Just giving you some advice...

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

READ THE CAPS NEXT TO YOUR POST, NOT YELLING IS MY STYLE OF RESPONDING:

Met an amazing girl through a social circle, hang out a few times, fun a social vibe...GREAT!

One night I gamed her, I took her away from the club and from our friends. Spent whole night talking, dancing salsa in the middle of the street, holding hands... Went for the kiss twice, didn't get it. I was like I got myself a girlfriend, and she definitely is a girlfriend material. SALSA, IF SHE IS LATIN OR LATIN BACKGROUND, A LOT OF COURTSHIP INVOLVE, SPECIALLY IN SALSA/LATIN CLUBS, IN MY UPCOMING BOOK I TALK ABOUT FOR DANCE GAME TO AVOID LATIN CLUBS DUE TO THE COURTSHIP BULLSHIT, YOU LABELING GIRLFRIEND MATERIAL MISTAKE 1, YOU GOING FOR THE KISS MISTAKE 2, SHE WAS NOT READY.

Next day I take her on date and still I don't get a close. I get really pissed off, label her as a time waster, which I tell her and night ends awkwardly. TAKING HER ON A DATE MISTAKE 3, YOU ARE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR COURTSHIP, YOU WANT TO BE THE GUY SHE WANTS TO FUCK, NO THE GUY SHE WANTS AS A BOYFRIEND, AND THEN GO BACKWARDS TO BE A BOYFRIEND, ALL THIS COURTSHIP STUFF MAKES A MORTAL, LIKE ALL REGULAR GUYS, PUAS DO NOT DO THE REGULAR DATING BS, THAT IS A WASTE OF TIME, YOU SHOULD HAVE MET HER AT ANOTHER DANCING EVENT AND DANCE WITH HER ALL NIGHT.

Now I see her from time to time, don't pay much attention. EXCELLENT! I do c&f on her, do all kinds of roll play, last time I picked up two Icelandic girls in from of her Evil or Very Mad GOOD GOOD!

I talked to my female friend last night and she tells me to be patient and persistent cause I really fucking like her and care about her. YOU ARE TOO INVESTED INTO THIS GIRL, BUT YOUR FRIEND MAYBE RIGHT, IS SHE LATIN? TOO MUCH COURTSHIP BULLSHIT BUILT INTO THEIR SYSTEM

Do some of you have experience with situations like this? And what would you do?
I'm seeing her tomorrow, we are writing some essey, two of us.

edit: I see there is already topic Persistence which really relates to this. I BET YOU SHE IS LATIN OR ANOTHER CULTURE, IN HERE YOU SET IT UP ALREADY TO SLOW COURTSHIP BS... AND YES I KNOW A GIRL EXACTLY LIKE THIS, HOT AS SHIT, I PASS ON HER I DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR COURTSHIP BULLSHIT...SHE WANTS ME TO BE HER BOYFRIEND...

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