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Take a break and carefully evaluate your situation. Locate the holes and find ways to fix them in a month or two when you know exactly what to do next.


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1. how old are you = 19
2. what are your goals (in terms of what PUA skills will get you. LTR? Quick lay?) = At the moment, I just want to get laid because I'm a virgin. Maybe after a LTR will be want I want.
3. What PUA material did you primarily study and use. = I started of using David Deangelo cocky funny type of stuff.
4. Can you open? Build rapport? at what point do you get blown out? = I can open now and then, still find it really difficult. Rapport building is even harder because I find it to keep a conversation going. I actually don't get blown out, I choose to LEAVE a set because I have nothing else to say.
5. How does it feel when you're in a set? Are you inside your head or in the moment? = Definetely inside my head. I think way to much when I'm trying to game a girl.
6. What is something you do in your non-Game life that you really enjoy, that makes you happy, that you're good at? = Probably just working out. Healthy body, healthy mind.
Ok, let's take these one by one.

1. 19 and a virgin is not a big deal. You need to get out of the mindset that this is some kind of emergency situation you have to take care of this second, because it's going to put you in a needy frame, and women can smell that from a mile away. Now if you were 50 . . .

2. Based on your answer to 4, you need to make losing your virginity a secondary goal. Small chunk the process and focus on the first step towards that goal. Your primary goal for now should be to improve your opening skills. Once you have that handled, your goal should be to improve building rapport, staying out of your mind and in the moment, and letting the conversation flow naturally. You can also work on becoming comfortable with those moments when things seem to stall out. Instead of bailing, ride the wave of tension and turn that into sexual tension. (This is something 60 Years of Challenge talks about, and while I would not build my whole game around it, it's a very powerful tool to use)

3. I like David D a lot. I've studied most of the techniques out there. Ultimately, you have to find one that fits your personality and then put your own spin on it. If you ever watch something like Transformations from Real Social Dynamics, you'll see that each of those guys has their own personality and their own strength in using the "natural" style, even though they all work off the same playbook. Don't try to be David D. Try to be you. It can be very hard for people to realize this sometimes, but the most valuable tool you have is you. You are one of a kind. I know that sounds cliché, but it's absolutely true. Bring out your best self, and add in the PUA tools that feel congruent and that work for you.

4. Leaving the set is a face saving measure. You've done the hard work of opening and getting the conversation going, now you should just let it flow. The only thing interrupting that flow is you getting inside your head. I honestly think you're better off having a boring conversation about nothing, than trying to come up with the best thing to say in that moment. The former shows you are not needy, you aren't trying to impress her, you're just being yourself, talking about normal things. You can be saying, "yeah, I did my laundry today. There were some pretty sketchy people at the laundromat." Who cares. It's better than standing there looking panicked and thinking "ok, what do I talk about now? Should I neg her? Am I being cocky enough?" Once you relax, you can focus on your body language, which is more important than what you're saying anyway. And have a ready arsenal of open ended questions you can ask her. They are more valuable than routines. Something like, "you have a great smile, but there's something sneaky in there. You're not a con artist are you? [She says whatever]. Well, what's the sneakiest thing you ever got away with? [Have a story of your own ready after hers. Something from real life you don't have to memorize. Funny and positive, not something like, "I once killed a man."]"

5. This is the key right here. My advice to everyone on the planet is the same. Meditate. Learn how here: http://www.mro.org/zmm/teachings/meditation.php
This will do so much for you I don't even know where to start, but one thing it will definitely do is help you turn off your "monkey mind" and just be in the moment. This is an essential skill of life, not just pickup. This is the most important piece of advice I'm giving you, right here. I know it sounds like I'm trying to sell you a religion or some crap like that. I'm not. Try it.

6. Working out is great, but doesn't give you much to talk about. What are some hobbies or activities you'd like to try? It doesn't matter what it is. Anything can be a road to building your skills and confidence, and becoming a more well rounded and interesting person. I don't care if its stamp collecting. Personally, I love playing guitar and photography, among other things. I didn't start either one to get girls, but they both sure help. And of course, a dance class is always a good idea for any budding PUA. It will make you more aware of how to use your body. Can you think of how that might be useful? :D

With 5 years of practice, you are already way ahead of most men your age. You have already achieved more than you realize, because you're judging your success by one goal, losing virginity, and ignoring all the success you've had in improving your abilities. Taking a break might be a good idea, but you need to have a game plan for the future. I hope the above helps with that. I've been where you are right now, and I know the frustration. I also know what it took to break free. You can do this, and you will.

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k, there are different types of games and different types of gurus, what type of game you are planning to do, i can not stand mm, but anyways, were do you like to sarge??????

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snubby, fantastic post.

The mentality is "I'm going to work hard to improve myself, and the lifestyle will follow." You'll start have girls calling you, respect from your peers, and a great lifestyle, but the trick to all of it is turning off your brain and enjoying yourself wherever you are at that moment. Hard work is a must, but it needs to come from somewhere other than pick up, as well. Other skills show the results of practice more linearly than PU, and it helps a lot to feel like you're becoming more interesting. It comes with time, so don't give up on it, practice meditation like snubby said. Good luck!


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Snubby, thanks for that amazing post my friend, it's really helped!

I've always wanted to meditate but never have had the drive, motivation or patience to do so. After my little downfall last week, I am determined to give it a go.


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k, there are different types of games and different types of gurus, what type of game you are planning to do, i can not stand mm, but anyways, were do you like to sarge??????
Me either, I don't like MM. I usually sarge at nightclubs, daygame isn't really my thing.


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Snubby, thanks for that amazing post my friend, it's really helped!

I've always wanted to meditate but never have had the drive, motivation or patience to do so. After my little downfall last week, I am determined to give it a go.
Sounds good. Here's a little more meditation info from my blog: http://zenofmeetingwomen.blogspot.com/2 ... itate.html

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That is a very good blog. I've read it and have just finished meditating for about 10 minutes.

That was my first time ever doing it and to be honest I just felt so calm. I began to feel sleepy and just focused on breathing through my belly. I don't know how to describe how I feel, I just feel good LOL

If I were to do this everyday, what are the benefits that come from it and how to they relate to pick up?

Thanks a bunch!


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You have no reason to actually go back, that is worse than quitting don't you think so? Going back means you are still not going to get any results. Do you go out alone? Do you not have any friends that would be your wing men? Or even that you would be their wing men if they are better at leading?

I assume that you have been to a strip club before? do you fall in love with the strippers? I hope you don't you know that they are after your money. So play it cool and treat as if they weren't scantily clad and they are like every other woman out there. Bring that same philosophy back to when you regularly game. When you meet/greet a girl have the mentality that they want something from you. Treat them as if they are just ANY other person and not an object of desire.

You shouldn't vie for their attention they should vie for yours, gaming is a very push/pull scenario. You have to be able to accurately measure reactions and body language. Yes it does seem like a lot of work especially if you feel you are starting from the ground up with no advantages. Just don't give up start off small with day game, casual conversation and whenever a opportunity presents itself.


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k, there are different types of games and different types of gurus, what type of game you are planning to do, i can not stand mm, but anyways, were do you like to sarge??????
Me either, I don't like MM. I usually sarge at nightclubs, daygame isn't really my thing.

Nightclubs, i may be your man... Shoot! questions??????? I will start by saying that i have only seen 1 guy that does the nightclub game ok, here is his link, wait for my book, meanwhile just follow this guy:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crITPs-V-bE

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If I were to do this everyday, what are the benefits that come from it and how to they relate to pick up?
People who meditate every day are calmer in general and better equipped to deal with the stress of daily living. http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles ... meditation

There are hundreds of long term benefits, both physical and psychological: http://www.ineedmotivation.com/blog/200 ... editation/

As far as it relates to pick up, it will help you to learn "non-attachment" and being in the moment. You can learn more about these in my book http://zenpua.com/ but the basic idea is this. If you are talking to a woman and you are attached to the result, you're more likely to get nervous and inside your mind and to mess it up. If you do not attach to the result, if you are just in the flow of the moment, it will improve every aspect of your game. Women are very perceptive and they can smell neediness a mile away. That smell is repugnant to them. They've dealt with the odd obsessive behavior of needy men before. It's not what they want. They want someone that is real, that knows who they are and what they want, and who can be in control of themselves without effort.

Beyond that, meditation allows you to confront yourself, your own idea of who you are and what you are capable of, what your limitations are. You can spot negative self talk, see it for what it is, and let it pass on by. It's useless to you. Find the core of who you are, and the connection you have to everyone else.

It's easy for us to get mired in our day to day tiny little bubble. It's nice to be able to step back from it all, expand that tiny bubble to the size of the universe, and dwell in that place, even if just for a few minutes each day. It will begin to seep into the rest of your day and life.

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k, there are different types of games and different types of gurus, what type of game you are planning to do, i can not stand mm, but anyways, were do you like to sarge??????
Me either, I don't like MM. I usually sarge at nightclubs, daygame isn't really my thing.

Nightclubs, i may be your man... Shoot! questions??????? I will start by saying that i have only seen 1 guy that does the nightclub game ok, here is his link, wait for my book, meanwhile just follow this guy:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crITPs-V-bE
Man, where would I start? I have so many questions. Approaching girls in nightclubs, talking to them (when you can), escalating, there's so much. How about with the approach, most are in groups of 2-5. I prefer the 2 set as they are easier. So give me an example of gaming a 2 set in a club.


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Me either, I don't like MM. I usually sarge at nightclubs, daygame isn't really my thing.

Nightclubs, i may be your man... Shoot! questions??????? I will start by saying that i have only seen 1 guy that does the nightclub game ok, here is his link, wait for my book, meanwhile just follow this guy:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crITPs-V-bE
Man, where would I start? I have so many questions. Approaching girls in nightclubs, talking to them (when you can), escalating, there's so much. How about with the approach, most are in groups of 2-5. I prefer the 2 set as they are easier. So give me an example of gaming a 2 set in a club.
Okay the only time you talk to girl is in places where the music is not loud like a huge club with an outside patio when the girls are standing or talking in the group, that is where you do regular game(i do not do regular game for me a waste of time), in club game you do not talk, you just dance, you open them dancing, you escalate by dancing and you do your thing dancing, most important girl has to have fun, and you need to turn her on while dancing, after she is really into you that is when you isolate(but you do not have too, i just make them give the back to the group while making out), 2 set you go dance with them you involve both of them in the dance, you have to have to go in with slightly higher energy, not too much, not too little slightly higher, in the 2 set, if you try to dance and they stop dancing eject that is a iod, if they grab each other eject iod, if they give you iois smile at you, face you or do not move away you dance with them, if you have a wing he needs to keep the other girl occupied, if she does not like you wing, he needs to eject and you need to befriend her by dancing, if the girl is into you she most likely leave her alone, they have secret signals and codes, sometimes if the girl is bored will fucked up your game cause she will get her friend... Club have a getting in time, a warm up time, and a pick up time, so you need to calibrate timing, in the getting in time, and warm up time, more girls than guys, or even amount of guys and girls, pick up time more guys less girls, the more the guys the higher the bitch shield and the more rejection...This is a friend of mine, look at the video, he has the right idea, but still starting:


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