Right guys...

Girl that i havnt had sex with for about 8 months has kept me friendzoned i believe and ive been trying to break out but i decided to freeze her out for a bit and then on thursday we met up and i was going to say cant be your friend...

But to my suprise i told her how i felt and how she makes me want to kiss her..and she got up over the table and started kissing me.. i was stunned, and she said i should have said that a long time ago! she stayed we kissed didnt have sex cause she said she was on her period

anyway so i said are we gonnna give it ago and she said yeah..(by the way shes a hb9, attention seeker has loads of male attention?

So friday she says shes going out with friends..i say cool, i went out with mine, she said ill speak to u tmoz..

i heard nothing so txt her sat, she didn't reply...
waited till tday and rang her and she didnt answer..
I can garentee she will ring me tmoz on her work break...What should i do/say...she's pissed me off and makes me think she just out with other guys! and she has a free house and hates beeing home alone! surley she should want to contact me? i just dont get it?...

Calm down m8, that the typical behavior, that will make her run to the other side. So breath and go spend that energy.( go to gym go run, friends i dont know). Like you said you already bother her twice, she is attention seeker. so if she calls you or txt dont asnwer right away w8 FFS, GIVE HER FREEZE OUT. and stop trying to reach her

Yea you've got yourself a legitimate flayer (female player) you gotta handle this one like a true PUA don't give her anything in fact I would ignore her and just brush her off for atleast a few days wait till she trys getting a hold of you and explain that she pissed you off. This girl is controling the frame your the nice guy she's gonna keep on the side and that kiss was just a tease. Sorry dude but girls are rough and this one is not the type to look for a relationship from. Play her, get her to qualify herself to you play a lil hard to get brush her off and hang out with maybe another girl she'll follow you like a lap dog. Have fun but this girl sounds like trouble.

thanks guys, yeah she's a tricky peace of work...so if she rings me tmoz, ignore her? and its ok to say shes pisseed me off! yeah? or should i just have a dig?..so do u guys reckon she's serious in the slightest about seeing each other? ive been trying to kiss her and get back sexual for ages and happy she did that..she also said ill always mean alot to her...

I wouldnt say that"She pissed me off" , it means she has affect on you and you cant show her that ofc.

Dont take this the wrong way but she is the one controling the frame, she was the one to kiss you, no apologizes so she knows she has control she did what you didnt have the guts. I would ignore her for about two\three days after she contacted and then tell her " sorry for being busy lets meet up for ....", then acted like nothing happened and treating like a girl who is dying to kiss you.

In the meanwhile i would think some neg nickname to call her.

Ok cool thanks i'll ignore her tday and for a bit....I did tell her when she got up and kissed me that was one of the most amazing things a girls done! and i said we can take it as fast and slow as you want....Is this bad? and just giving her the power again?

She said she doesn't know if she trustd me cause of my player rep, so i was just trying to take the pressure off

what does bother me is she's got a free house for a week and hates being alone, and makes me think if im not there/ignoring her..who will be

but ill try and keep my distasnce which does seem weird as just starting out, and maybe neg her about having no credit or something? i do generally tease her all the time

In that situation of the kiss I would pushed her and said " Lets take things slowly, Im old fashioned gentlemen, you nned to make dinner first, you need to control yourself I know its dificult" with a smirk. Believe me she is not use to that.

So a girl who is HB9 and attention seeker, is not sure if she can trust you because of your player reputation? I would say she is playing mind games, put you on defensive so you will think she is a innocent bunny lolol but in reality a venomus snake lol (no ofense m8),. If you are playa you need start doing what you do the others, this girl is not diferent only on your mind.

Control yourself man. "she's a tricky peace of work." why are you pursing her?
Just ignore her for a few days then phone her up and say you was busy. You've given her the control in this relationship you need to get it back.

Good stuff, got ya guys...I've just persued i suppose cause i just really like her..as i say we used to have sex then she said friends bla bla...and now were here

she just rang, i didn't answer...then she txt and said ive only just got my phone back...ring me when you can?

sounds a bit dodgy to me!

Look, you want to be in control of your feelings here.

While you might have won her over momentarily with your bold proclamation of your love for her, unless you could immediately build on it, its effect will fade away quickly.

Convey to her, through your actions if not words, that while you are attracted to her and do want her, you will not be one of those guys who cater to her needs and whims.

You are your own man. The sooner you get that point across ,the better.

Also, treat her with a little cold, formal air.. she should understand that you're not very appreciative of her flaking out on you.

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thanks guys..

haha, ignored her a bit then spoke to her and went round hers and told her shes cooking me dinner i'll bring the wine...When i turned up she was in pajamas, no make up..so i thought i can see this is going to go wrong (her making no effort)

had dinner in the lounge, not at the table..which wasnt good!
thought fuck it and kissed her a few times, but she didnt seem keen and i felt i was trying to cuddle her and make the effort

later or in the night i kissed her again and tried it on, and she said no! i dont know if i want to do that with you..so i kicked off and said what the fuck! 4 days ago u said u want to be with me, i havnt spoken to u, and now u dont..

all she said is i dont see u like that, so i said what was your kiss about on thurs..she said i dont know it was in the moment..and just said sorry

so i got up called her a cunt and a joke and walked out!!

so now deleted her, and hopefully this time forget her..I just dont get it tho?? that's mental behaviour!! any clues??

she said me a message the next day, saying u mean the world to me but i dont feel the same! ..i havnt replied

cheers guys

Like i said she isnt innocent bunny. HBs like having control they are use to it, unfortanely you give her too much. the ones that she sleeps and misses and cry are the ones that take all control from her, and treat her badly, My view on this is you probably caught her, on bad moment, maybe a guy said no to her, flaked, trade her for another hot girl, so she jumped on you to boost her ego back to normal, so she could feel good about herself again. Again HB are egosluts

When she invited you to dinner you were too eager she knew you were expecting that call, you should have flaked said you had better things to do, postpone for two days, you would show her , that you arent her little bitch, that you maybe have another girls and that why you arent coming, omg she became number two, she wont like that

Another If I saw her on Pijamas and seeing her make no effort, I would go so fucking cold on her, would leave her house, with 0 contact, negging her alot, teasing her to death, and acting like she is a girl with penis. she was probably waiting for that all night long, she probably enjoyed refusing the kiss. and if she refused the first one dont repeat that HER LOSS NOT YOURS

Last but not least, you shouldnt have called her out, showing your emotions, next time leave, with a smile on your face, giving ty for such lovely dinner, and to do that again. At least you could go out with HB9 and use has a pivot, she probably has hot friends and you would take advantage of that. You would see if she like you having more interest on her friends that on her, she would proabbly fuck you on the spot.

Take it as lesson, HB, are used to all kinds of attention, you dont know how many planets orbits around her proabbly alot, you are just one more, she knows you are in love with her but still invites you alone to dinner after she kissed she knew you were hoping for much more, no girl are stupid enough to be that fucking inocent, but still she manage to act like a scared bunny, ahah girls are so fucking manipulative the sooner you learn this the better. If i were you would read robert green "48 laws of power"

Thanks man, that's really good advice...i guess i just liked her to much to have a go and was always thinking theres away i can have sex with her tnite, and just happy i was there with her..

but advice taken..it's a good learning curve!

this is the 3rd time this has happend with this bird, and i know she wants someone to treat her bad, but im just not used to it yet..but ill learn..i think im slowly shaking off nice guy but not there yet..

should i completely forget this girl? she says im her world, if she comes back for any reason in the future, should i rebuild and try again? or to late? i think she wants to be with me but im lacking them certain qualities that u say..but ive got to let her go at somepoint it's to painfull!

thanks

W8 you dont have to treat all girls badly, some girls really enjoyed nice guys you just need to have some kind of edge.

Its never too late, but if you wanna continue and have some shot with this girl I would sugest moving on, forget her, but if you see her be nice to her. SHOW HER SHE DOESNT HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER YOU. And move on the sooner you do this, the sooner she might realize what she is missing, and ofc that point you kick her ass to curve.

The only qualities you have is being a good friend who listens to her, gives her the ego boost, that what he enjoys on you. but maybe she doesnt feel that sexual tension that maybe she shoulod