Is persistence DLV or not? I can't seem to find anything on it? As in... shouldn't my mindset be, "I don't chase" which would go counter to persistence. Like I let her come to me, not the other way around. But in some case they WANT to be chased, but isnt there a point where you reach AFC or oneitis status?

It depends on how persistent you are. If you're blowing up her phone you're clearly coming off as too needy and thats not attractive at all. It sounds like your really over thinking this. Take a couple steps back and think...... Am i giving off a needy vibe? If so, eject now. You only hurt yourself by chasing a bad set. I know exactly how you feel, but if you really want this girl you need to make yourself pre-selected.

Remember the qualities of an attractive male:

Confidence
Leadership
Pre-selection
Social Intelligence
Lack of neediness


Hope that helped! msg me if you need anymore advice.

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I think that persistence is one of the most annoying traits in the history of annoying traits.

It shows that you are ready to crawl after a girl who has rejected you, that you are ready to step into (sorry crawl into) her world where she is the queen and you are the stableboy begging for a smile or tablescraps. There is nothing alpha about persistence, only showing that you are a sucker for her.

As someone said above, some women wants to be chased... Exactly, that is what she wants, why would you care about what she wants? You are not sarging for her but for yourself right?

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A lot of girls like to let you chase them. Most of the time just to rebuild their wall of confidence you just tore down so delicately.

When they're playing hard to get, be sure you've established enough attraction, then play even harder to get.

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persistance doesn't have anything to do with external things..it doesn't mean you have to stay with someone who is being rude.
it's about you being dedicated into reaching your goal... like if a girl mension her boyfriend you can just stay and plow through. if the girl isn't attracted.. if you know 100 % sure she isn't attracted then just leave.

Most PUA guys are too persistent...girls are just rejecting them in a polite friendly way , and what do those PUA guys do ? they just re-open and start asking questions again.

most woman want to be chased ... this is very true because most woman like challenge...

il say be persistant.. i had much succes by being persistent

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Being persistent is attractive and a way to pass a test.

If she rejects you and you don't reopen later, she knows your not worth her time and you don't actually want her.

If you be persistent, no's turn into yes's.

Totally disagree.

It means that you cant take no for an answer. And that you have very few choices so you have to make every single girl you meet count. It shows that you are needy and that she has value to you even though you just met her. These are the traits of a betamale. An alpha male wouldnt care if he got rejected, he would just go for the next. Why would a high value male care about that one girl in a sea of similar girls?

I see it like this, if she rejects you, she is not worth your time. You dont actually want her, exactly, absolutely true, you know nothing about her, how could you possibly want her, for her looks? Beauty is common you know.

No´s turn into yes... Ehrm, yeah, if you dont mind begging and whining like a little girl just to get a mercyfuck from someone who doesnt really want you.
Rapedrugs also turn NO´s into "half-conscious mumbles" but it doesnt mean that it is good.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

who cares if it's beta or not ... but saying it's beta to be persistent you are also caring what other think or say.

''uhhh does this make me beta uhhh is this shitty ? is this cool ''?

if you love the game and you love to game just be persistent...

im attracted to succesfull and arrogant woman...some people say those are bitches but they are just having a huge ASD....95 % you need to be persistent regarding that personality type.

if someone is hard to game it's a challenge for me .. i love challenge - it makes me feel good and i don't care if it's beta or alpha .. fuck that shit. that doesn't mean i have to fuck that person...just doing my thing ... being friends or having a fun conversation can be enough.

if someone responds too nice im actually turned off even tho i respect their kindness...i like it when people are assertive or arrogant - it brings the best out of me dealing with such people.

if your only motivation is to get laid .. then yes it's kind off stupid to chase someone... if you want a relationship, a good conversation and a fun night then just chase from a position of power.

the position of power is your motivation and descision...

chasing is alpha or beta ? ..almost all woman i've fucked i did chase to some degree, in all social interactions i had lots of succes while chasing...However i never did it because i needed approval or attention, in most cases i really didn't gave a fuck if i lose the girl... hot woman don't ring your doorbell while you are playing warcraft screaming '' time to fuck''. you don''t get a degree by not chasing your goal...

if you are seeking approval you shouldn't chase
if your only motivation is sex ( also approval ) you shouldn't chase.

some woman will just not be attracted to you .. it happens... chasing such woman is a waste of time. You could succeed and pickup such woman but it's up to you to decide if you want to waste time on such interaction. Wasting your precious time is what matters, wasting time on someone while you could meet the girlfriend of your dreams... who cares about beta or alpha shit ?

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My whole thing is, I havnt been sure where to draw the line and just looking at some of the responses I've gotten this is why. I don't mind chasing a little, but as I have said to many of you, Too cool for school is fine, but not all the time.

The nearest I can figure, no doesn't turn into yes unless you're Jame Bond. That said: there are ways I've come up with to continue gaming a girl without gaming her....It maintains persistence while preserving your perceived social status.

I present Triangle theory.

You're at a party- you see a drop dead brunette who shouldn't exist in nature. It is unnatural for someone so utterly mind blowingly attractive to exist in Darwins world. You make your approach, go through A1-C1, she rejects you. It happens. So instead of going back A2, you walk away with a polite have a nice night and...this is where indirect persistence comes in. You begin gaming an attractive set nearby she is in eye shot of...it goes well, one or more than one girl is giving you IOI, you excuse yourself midset, reopen with something very mundane, "Question didn't you say you did ____, that cutie I was just talking to said she ______- and I told her I thought you did ____, neg (holy crap, you still wiggle your nose when you talk that's adorable, ect ect), then disqualify yourself again (see this is why we wouldn't work)" and say something like "well, I get back to my new friends" turn slightly, pause, then walk away. If she can really resist that, then your game isn't as tight as you think, but, essentially you proven your preselectability, social status and shown her you have no issue walking away while employing cat string and disqualification. If she reopens you as you walk away for a second time, then you are in.

I did this recently albeit in a different scenario. Rejected by a 9 or 10, failed bf destroyer, but I knew she checked out my FB because occasionally she would comment on my statuses. I got an attractive pivot friend (yeah I know sneaky, but whateffs) to post this on my wall (of her own creation): ""Me + u + a bottle of wine = hmmmmm. Thankx for last nite... u b comin off the top as bestest! Xo" Then posted pictures of me with other girls. Minutes later- guess who reopened.

Couldnt care less, just trying to explain.

I can agree that a challenging girl is more fun because it keeps you on your toes.

But a no is a no, if a girl doesnt wanna have anything to do with you, then whatever. Next.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

that's my point .. there is no need to explain

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Well, explain to the OP.

Generally I think that you agree that it is bad to be a betamale since that is the one not getting any. And the alphamale does.

Im not talking about coming off as one, I am talking about how to man up and stop putting women on a pidestal. At least women you just met who cannot have any sort of value to you except an extra X chromosome and looks...

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

I say, be persistent. Women will often test you by resisting. If you don't persist, how will you ever succeed with them? Obviously, you need to draw the line between persisting and chasing a woman; but within reasonable boundaries, persisting is the way forward. So long as you don't feel like you're supplicating, do it!

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if you aren't persistent you get nowhere in life....

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I personally think being persistent in gaming is fruitless it can come across annoying and in the worst case needy. It also takes up time that you could be gaming other girls.
Yes put the effort it but if you feel you're being rejected then don't bother heck she'll be more likely to go chasing you then.