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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:43 am 
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On Saturday (Aug 13), I and my friend worked on three set and run pretty solid game. We number closed the girls..
During gaming her, my eye-contact was really good and I could sense the sexual tension....our noses were almost touching and I noticed her looking at my lips when talking...But i wanted to keep the tension and didn't kiss her....I could see that she was very attracted to me and was qualifying to me. She told me about herself and background etc....I kept qualifying her...She gave me a little shit test about as if i was interviewing her but I handled it well by telling her that yes I was interviewing for cnn to make some money.....But overall very solid attraction and I found that she liked a lot of things that I like or like to do......
One quick note though my phone was broken and I asked her to give me her number very early in interaction....She gave me a wrong number....I do it just to see if the number is flake.....Then I told her I cant promise that I ll remember it and she should text me something...so she did and I noticed the number was different from the one she told me earlier...But i didn't call on her.....usually I stay after getting the number....So i get to know her more and ran some of my DHV stuff...I noticed that there was huge shift in her attraction after telling her my DHV things...She was highly attracted to me and qualifying herself to me.
Then we tried to move them and do the venue change....Our plan was to push as much as we can but we never made it visible to girls...They were pretty excited in going with us to the next venue...But the third friend was not helping our cause...Although she was not cock-blocking but she was a bit hesitant and started asking us about cover etc for the new venue etc...I and my friend told her that we have another friend in that venue and she would be perfect for him...Interestingly, our girls were also supporting us and asking their friend to go to the new venue with us....But the problem was none of them was willing to pay cover...we tried to get that cover thing out of the way but didnt work out....and the girls decided to go to some other bar...We didnt want to kill the vibe/leading frame so we left them and went to first club to meet our friend. When we were leaving, I told my girl that I had to leave since my friend was from out of town and that I would text her. She was like ok and we lip kissed each other...btw she initiated that kiss.
Another thing that during interaction, she asked me if i had gone to XYZ place. I told her that I was new to town. Then I teased her to be my tour-guide and show me that place. We agreed to go there together...so I kinda set up Day 2 although a bit weak and needs to be strengthened on texting.
I didn't do anything that night but next day Sunday, I had a following text message exchange with her:

Aug 14-Sunday
Me (2:01 pm) = Tequila 4....Knight 0. I need a Tylenol the size of a hockey puck. How was the rest of your Saturday night ?
Her (2:14 pm) = :) you just waking up? Lol. Listened to jazz. Was nice.
Me (2:45 pm) = Cool..i broke my last record by 30 mins lol..btw i m kinda relieved to notice something about you.
Her (2:46 pm) = Congrats. What did you notice ?
Me (2:51 pm) = For a pathologist, you did pretty good at talking to living people....keep it up :)
Her (3:03 pm) = Lol.
Me ( 3:16 pm) = I never thought selecting a phone is kinda big deal.....android or iphone....blah lol
Her ( 3:17 pm) = Haha....Tough choice. I have android, but waiting for iphone 5.
Meanwhile I was at verizon store to buy a new phone...so i replied after one hour
Me ( 4:17 pm) = I know you want to make me jealous with hippie iphone....:) just bought android lol...
Her (4:18 pm) = Nice. Which one ?
Me (4:20 pm) = Samsung Infuse
Her (4:20 pm) = That is a sweet phone!
Me (4:25 pm) = No I licked it and its tasteless jk.....ok partner I want an evil plan for my old phone...


After this she didn't reply and it was kinda dead air.....I dont know what mistake I made but any ways I didn't text her back for another day....So on Tuesday, I tried to ping her again and heres the convo:

Aug 16-Tuesday
Me (8:58 pm) : Doing ok baby?
Her (9:09 pm) : Eating at kathmandu
Me (9:27 pm) : Please dont eat spicy curry babe. Ur just a little lady
Again, dead air, so i kinda waited for another hour but no response so I sent her another text to test waters.
Me (10:28pm) : Hmm...feels like u had a stressed day

No reply....I dont know where did I ruin things.....I can see that her investment is pretty low in the texts...which is extremely strange since she was investing heavily and qualifying herself a lot when we met on Day1....so I am kind of confused....
I am thinking of waiting for at least 3-4 days now and then initiating the convo on Sunday (aug 20)....I do not want to come out as needy but I also want that her attraction doesn't drop a lot.
Please review it and help me recover from here...Also, I would appreciate if you can criticize and point out some mistakes which can be avoided in future.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:11 am 
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Generally speaking - don't send more messages to combat a lack of a reply. Also if a girl is losing interest, just back off and focus on someone else for a while - otherwise you'll waste time and energy making things worse.

Going over what happened;

A lot of what happened tells me you're good at "game" but need to work on personal development. Over all you have a lot of good tricks that impress but none of it seems to be tied together with an overall personality and certainty of what you want.

Starting from the top;

Never pass up an opportunity a girl gives you to escalate. EVER. (her quite obviously hovering her lips close to yours)  opportunities to escalate always make bonds stronger and passing them up, biologically tells a girl you're not interested or not sure what to do.

Generally, get the number when it might be necessary to grab it before you lose contact forever. And justify it with something about her personality, so she doesn't think it's just to get her into bed.
Early on looks desperate or sleezy.

She asked you if you were conducting an interview because you were all funny questions and not connecting. I had a look at the last thread I gave you advice in, and it seems you're still focused on being a dancing monkey and not connecting with her.

The above reasons is why your day 2 setup felt weak, and because you didn't escalate physically or connect emotionally, it fizzled out with the texts afterwards.

Also what's with all the texting? Texting is weak, you're supposed to call when possible, use your voice, and deal with the conversation as it comes, like a man, instead of hiding behind well-thought-out text messages.


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A little thing i noticed here is the you calling her babe/baby all of a sudden. I know its only small but it can be TOO personal and off-putting (think of the song "Im not your baby... so dont call me baby" :lol:) particularly when you haven't really INVESTED in a person. Stick to impersonal nicknames, that you can call everyone, like cutie etc... As a matter of fact, i noticed this through a girl calling it me all of a sudden in text and for some reason it struck out as creepy, so i just dont do it. As with everything else, its good game, just remember though, it IS a game and so SHE is playing too, so dont be too reactive to her bullshit. And take in what conker said, he was spot on ma man!


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Beside :lol: give her a break, she probably finished eating and was getting pumped by the guy who took her to kathmandu while you were waiting on her reply, only joking ma man, keep sarging!


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@Conker,

Thanks for your great reply.....Lately, I have been working on to connect emotionally while in sets and avoid being a dancing monkey....and to be honest it helped me a lot in getting solid numbers......However, since I used to do funny shit a lot ( i was addicted to it...and sometimes I come of as try hard), its really hard sometimes to get rid of it...however I m working on it.....Especially when during the set, i start to like the girl...and feeling of not losing her kicks in.....I go back to my old funny shit like as if I am on auto-pilot. This has been the major sticking point....After reading your reply following two questions come in my mind and I would appreciate your pointers on it

1- The thing which really surprises me and totally mind-boggling me is the fact that it was very solid set and apparently she was very much into me....But the next day, her responses and investment were totally low on texting... what just happened in one night? is this a common issue in pick-up?

1- How can i improve building emotional connection while maintaining the attraction? Their is this concept in my mind that in order to attract a girl I have to tease her...hence I do a lot of funny shit and act as dancing monkey....How can I get rid of it?

2- You said and I quote, " A lot of what happened tells me you're good at "game" but need to work on personal development. Over all you have a lot of good tricks that impress but none of it seems to be tied together with an overall personality and certainty of what you want. "
What are the things which I need to work upon so that I am totally congruent and tie together my personality?

As of now here is what my plan to run the recovery on her:
I am planning to initiate convo with her somewhere around this Sunday (after 4-5 days)....However I think its better to call her and see her response.....But with the current scenario, I am not sure if she will pick it up or not? ....Whats your advice on re-initiating/recovery in this case?
I can also bait her into calling by texting her first like "omg you would not believe wat happened to me today....and it totally reminded me of you."....and when she asks me about it....I call her as an excuse to explain it and go from there.....Just an idea !
If it didnt work out, I ll assume it as good learning lesson and move on.

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Appraciate your thoughts too....btw I double texted her since in first texting interaction she never replied...so I was juts trying to test the waters....but good point about being icy and non-reactive.....How can you maintain the balance here? Because if you become too non-reactive, she might lose interest over the time...


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I'm answering each paragraph in order.

The most important thing here is you've identified your sticking point is when you slip into joking mode and go to far and come off as try-hard. That's really good news. 
I've learned that self- improvement is not what you think - it's not; work hard, work hard, work hard, breakthrough!
It's actually; breakthrough! work hard, work hard, work hard...
You can work really hard at something, hoping to get somewhere but never making a difference, and just go round in circles.
The real change happens when you realize something you didn't before, and also maybe happen to do something good that you haven't before, but then you start acting on that information. And you find it's not working every time. But you keep working at it and slowly you make a noticeable change.
With you, your new work will be to train yourself to catch yourself when you slip into joking mode as a fear thing, and experiment with doing something else instead. Try to think of things that are positive, different, improves people's experience... But just try something new.

If you read my first reply I outlined exactly why your solid set fizzled out.

You have a very basic and common problem encountered by guys reading pickup material. It vey easily encourages this terrible behavior which masks fear by negging and being cocky - regardless of if it's appropriate to neg or not.
You should never be afraid to do what you want, as long as you know what you want and have a "do unto others..." mentality. So you should not be negging recklessly in self defense. This will kill all the nice moments you should have used to escalate.

You should focus on making the most of each moment and enjoying what you can out of it, and not be too fixated on any one goal. You need to train yourself how to be happy and comfortable when things are not going your way because you know all the possibilities for fun times later or at another time and place because of how awesome you are. You need to train yourself to learn that most of what happens, doesn't have any meaning for you about who you are as a person.

As for where to go - you can use a trick to know when she's going to pick up if you want - my only advice is you should believe it, otherwise you'll be full of nerves when talking to her, knowing what you're saying is made up. Use something as close to the truth as possible.



Feel free to ask for clarification.


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Update:
So I called her on Saturday (aug 20) around 7pm….and she picked up and we just said hi to each other…Unfortunately the signals were bad and my call dropped. I called her again but she did not pick it up..I did not leave the voice message and just ended it up.
So I waited for another week and meanwhile I went out with my friends to chill and game some more. However, I wanted to test waters with her too. So last night (Sunday, Aug 28) I sent her a low investment text :
Me (8:06 pm) = Life is an awesome trip ! How was your weekend ?
Her (11:37 pm)= :) I worked…Hope you had a good weekend
I slept early last night and saw this text in the morning. Now I am confused on how to take it from here. I am pretty much clear on my goal which is to have a day2. Here are a couple of things in my mind.
First I am planning to text her tonight (Monday) the following:

"Working on weekend sucks….but I appreciate that you make yourself available for the service to humanity….btw I am looking for this gorgeous girl who once told me that I was not a normal guy…you know her ? :)"

She is a medical student doing residency so the work on weekends…and I ran some DHV stuff while I was in set with her and she told me that I was not a normal guy and she praised me that how am I different from every tom, dick and harry. So its kind of my try to get attraction humor.

Please provide your feedback on my text and also should I wait for another day or just send it tonight? If you have any other ideas please share…
Also how can I keep the conversation light and flirty with some qualification/comfort? Any pointers or examples will be great. I don’t want to come off as dancing monkey.
Can you provide me ideas about getting on phone with her asap ? I personally want to avoid this text exchanges…she doesn’t seem to be a big texter.


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how long has it been since the initial meet? i think if you keep trying its gonna be borderline creepy. learn from your mistakes and move on

did you txt though how did it go


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First you have to accept that when things go well in the first place, you don't end up in the position you're in right now - and so what you're experiencing is NOT something you should be telling yourself that this is what you have to learn to deal with and get better at. It's much easier to get in contact and have a chat, when things haven't fizzled out the way they have right now.

Right now you should accept that the point where you messed up has already been and gone - the fact that she's even replying right now is a bonus, and so whatever happens from here in is a bonus. This is just an experiment - she's still talking, let's see what happens, and see what you can learn. That's the best you can hope for out of this.

Honestly I'm not full of tricks to get them to pick up - as far as I go is send a text, and when they reply, call back. Haven't done that much and it's been hit and miss anyway. If she doesn't pick up, I always send another text saying something like - just tried to get a hold of you - and then a brief message of whatever it is I was calling about.  I think if she sees missed calls and no text, it looks bad, like you are used to calling with no response. I just imagine how it would look to me if I saw a missed call and no text to go with it.

My other main tip for getting someone to pick up is call only Sunday through to Thursday, after dinner, eg. 8pm, but no later than 9pm (unless you know them well or they'll be up) because that's rude. These are the times most people are available. Sunday night is the best. Uni students are hard, because they have completely random hours so it's just a lucky dip, unless they've told you their timetable.

That text you have planned sounds good to me, just go ahead with your plan, you can only try. If things have gone downhill its worth reminding them of a previous fun moment they haven't backwards rationalized yet to fit their lower feelings for you now and they may wonder why they don't feel that way anymore and there's an opportunity for you to re-kindle things.

Well you naturally are able to keep the conversation light and flirty if you're always trying to gauge how they're feeling. The battle is training yourself to not worry so much and going internal, and stay external and present with the person you're talking to. If you are on edge and feel like you have to neg, that's  internal, you're worried about how you're feeling, and it's the wrong mindset. If you're hearing what she's saying and picking out possible conversation threads, things to say that will improve her mood, or say things that align with where her headspace is right now, that's external and present, that's where you want to be.  Once she's in a good mood, you really don't have to say anything that impressive.

If you get there with her, it's pretty easy to say that you two should catch up some time, stating that it's fun talking to her. And be fairly enthusiastic.

If you have trouble showing enthusiasm for fear of appearing needy, well you choose words that are statements that don't focus on how you feel. Eg. "it'll be fun!" or "we'll have an awesome time" is better than "really looking forward to seeing you!" save the latter statements for when she's been really attentive and affectionate and you feel like it's in danger of getting to the point where you'll be an arse if you don't return the positive energy :)


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Thanks Conker for the advice....Here is the update:

Since I am really working on avoiding the dancing monkey element, I even modified the text in previous post and send the following last night (Monday)...Here is the convo:

Me (8:47 pm) = Working on weekend sucks....but as a doctor, devoting your time to serving the humanity is really appreciable :). I can never forget that incident of my life.....

Her (10:04 pm) = Which event ?

I didnt reply instantly...She texted me again

Her (10:07 pm) = Festival greetings.

I told her during our interaction when we met about two-three weeks back, about this ethnic festival of mine which is on aug 30.
I felt that she remembered it and its a good sign...so i texted her.

Me (10:17 pm) = Thanks...btw its a long story.....busy now but call you in 30

Her (10:18 pm) = I am going to sleep....tomorrow :)

Me (10:19 pm) = Cool...Good night :)

My question is should I call her today or is it better to wait for a day or 2? Also if you see that my interaction was totally normal with no flirt and jokes....but i created some sort of intrigue so she asked me a question.....Can you guys give me some example where I can bring a light hearted joke or flirt? How to proceed from here?


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Update:

So I called her tonight (Tuesday) around 9pm but she did not pick it up. I called her once and did not record voice message. Instead I texted her immediately after the call. Here is my text:

Me = Just tried to get hold of you...sharing my festival happiness with everyone :)

She has not replied yet.....Now I am thinking to freeze out for another 2-3 days...If she does not respond... I ll send another light text after freeze out and then try to get her on call....and that will be my final attempt....

Any comments/suggestions on my moves ?


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i would suggest not texting right after you call. it's normally good to wait a few days after u call or text and she doesnt respond. even if a girl responds to a text from me sometimes ill just wait a couple days, sometimes even a week and she eventually will text me out of nowhere. next time u text her or she texts u just try to tease and flirt with her a bit. thats all i got


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Everything has a context, and the advice "wait a few days before calling" is only applicable in certain situations. I noticed straight away that you said you'd call in 30, she pushed it ahead to tomorrow, you said cool - and then you didn't call the next day like you both agreed!

You did a good job generating a spark there, and then instead of goig with the flow, you made the classic mistake of applying PUA material too heavy-handedly and didn't call when you agreed.

So the excitement generated by needing to tell her this story is lost. You broke the rhythm, it's like - oh going to call now - oh, now I'm not. Oh, now I'm calling again, and she's like wtf is he doing?

Sometimes it's these basic things that make all the difference, and in my opinion, your in "random contact limbo", I hate that spot - where she's not that excited about you anymore and you're randomly contacting her out of the blue hoping she'll respond and make time for you, as opposed to you both having set up some sort of dialogue or next meet up to chain things along. These days I don't even dare entertain that situation - if I think I'm in it, I will not let ONE text go un-replied without sending another. I'll probably give it a week and then begin contact anew with a phone call or a new text. And then if nothing - forget about it and maybe contact her in a month when something interesting is on.

You have nothing to lose right now IMO so try whatever. I'm not going to tell you I'm 100% accurate, so something might randomly work, you never know. But IMO I wouldn't focus too much on her.


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