just put together this routine stack, its more of an outline to help my mind wrap around how it all works and how it breaks down.. anyways wondering what you guys think, have yet to try this out and obviously different girls have diff reactions and i won't be able to follow this verbatim but again, made this mainly to help plant the strategy in my head and its not done but yeah add any gambits or routines or advice you think would help, thanks again guys i appreciate all your help.. enjoi!

• Opener – “FIGHT OUTSIDE” or “DO I LOOK GAY”

• False Time Constraint – “I gotta go meet up with my friends here in a sec but..”

• Neg – “You got some kruntz in your eye.. haha its alright it’s a good look for you, you should leave it there all day, set a new trend..”

- DHV - "SLEEP WITH JESUS"
"So I was just having a religious debate with my buddy, we couldn't decide maybe you guys can help.. if you had the chance, would you sleep with Jesus?"

- Cold Read - "i bet your the bad one and your the good one aren't you.."

- Neg - "you blink alot, its cute" or "is that your natural hair color?"

- False Time Constraint - "I really gotta go mingle here in a sec but.."

- DHV - "SHOWER MASTURBATION"

- PUSH/PULL - "when I first saw you I thought you looked like a total BITCH.. but you're not that's the thing you're actually really cool, it caught me off guard, didn't expect that.. (smile)"

- DHV - "ELVIS HAIR"

- Neg - "it would never work between us.. we're too much alike."

- AFTER 3 IOIs QUALIFY the girl.. then SHIFT to RAPPORT.

- QUALIFY - "BEAUTY IS COMMON"

- RAPPORT
- Matching & Mirroring
- Find Commonalities
- Eliciting Values (see routine by Style)

THIS IS SO CANNED ITS SCARY gotta loosen up get away from canned material and u are miss understanding a DHV,

it should be making yr higher value these storys dont relaly do this ?:/

seems good for a canned stack. I can see the logic in it. Good stuff.

Dude... No.

1. Stacked openers are not DHV's
2. Spitting routines like that with no proper transition will just make you weird, besides, you have no idea where will any given conversation go
3. You seem to forget the most important part - escalation.

Also, just get out of the house and try it out.

how many times have you used this stack in real life situations?

i'm guessing not too many times.

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Lol. So nothing in your pick-up is real? It's all prefabricated bs?
What do you do when the first neg doesn't apply? Just go trough with it because the whole pick-up will fail?

Also, telling her she has eye crud may be one of the worst negs I've ever heard. If that's Canned and Mystery came up with it, shame on him.

um you guys are terrible this is suppose to be a forum not a nazi hate rally, obviously i posted it cuz i don't know what the hell im doing, how about some feedback instead of everyone of you saying oh well this sucks and you don't know what your doing, i mean really type something useful or don't write anything

obviously im having problems figuring out the game model, if someone would be kind enough to point me in the right direction, that would be greatly appreciated, but yeah i don't need anyone else saying i don't know what im doing, if i did i wouldn't be on a pickup forum lol

You wanted feedback and you got it. Read the posts again and look for pointers. However, if you can't take any sort of criticism, then just don't ask for it.

i can take criticism, thanks though, was actually looking for something useful i could use, telling me this sucks does me nothing.. like telling me what DHVs are and what some would be or how i can incoroproate some good kino, those things help me, telling me i suck doesn't, thanks

Exactly help this guy out, no just criticize...I would help you, but i am a natural... I don't use canned stuff... Go to hulu and watch keys to the vip, that would help a bit...

the only thing i use is from david d:


Hey! since we do not know each other and we do not have any friends in common i decided to come over here and introduce myself i am brad pitt...

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Maybe you are right. Here are my thoughts.
YOUR ROUTINE STACK DOESN'T SUCK! YOUR WAY OF THINKING DOES!

If you want FEEDBACK internet is not the place get feedback. Go out and talk to girls and see what works FOR YOU.

Go out using this routine stack. I dare you. Do this 500 times and almost your every error will auto correct itself.

And try to get away from that game mentality, cause 95% of it is nothing more than mental masturbation. And 95% of the guys on forums like this know jack shit about women.

So come back after 500 sets and give us your sticking points.

Good luck!

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Firecrow,

It sounds like you're new to this. Thats sweet though cause even this Defy character had to start somewhere. For now, forget the complex routines. the canned stuff will only work for so long anyway. I learnt a step at a time. Try this: go out with no preplanned routines, use the 3 second rule and open as many 2 sets as you can. Construct a fake time constraint, and only work on the actual opening. After a few minutes get out. Open as many two sets as you can. You should see (or at least I did after a while) that your best work will be done off the cuff. Listening and reacting to what the girls will say is much stringer game than pre-conceived routines anyway mate. After a while (when your confidence is up), try slipping in a cold read (eg the Cube, The Best Friend Test etc) but don't over do it.

Hope that helps mate, also hope its actually constructive for you

Bear