Wow. Well to that I will say - I'm in Ibiza. Girls come here to get laid it's the biggest party island in the world.

My line with this: "Hey, I'm X, what's your name"? If they wanted to connect they would give me more than the 30 seconds that they gave me.

Again, my theory here is that I was rejected due to high confidence. When I came with the SAME LINE but less confidence, it worked better. Why are you replying to part of the post without reading it till the end first???

HEY 360 WHERE DID YOUR POST GO TO????



THERE WAS NO HESITATION. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT, DON'T YOU GET IT?

You guys are like on AUTO PILOT.

The WHOLE POINT of this post is that what you are saying IS A MYTH.

That CHODES who DO HESITATE (ARE hesitating / display hesitation / in how many ways can I say this) have no problem opening sets while SUPREME CONFIDENCE FAIL.

You are like broken records!!!!!!!!!!!

SKILLS360 - break down your game. You will see that it includes "built in" hesitation / signs of insecurity (like the two steps forward, one step back - remember??)

And from here I'm trying to THEORIZE DEEPER than the usual myth of "a girl wants a confident man" and say that the DEEPER reality is more complex and uglier! Try to get to the BOTTOM of what I'm saying! I don't believe that you do!

Just humor me and try this some night and then report back to the group.

Pick a night and go out to wherever it is that you go and go with some friends of your's that you enjoy hanging out with. Don't think of them as "wingmen" or pivots or anything, just simply friends that you'd like to spend an evening with.

Then forget all about this PUA stuff, forget about being "alpha", forget all about the books and CDs and DVDs and the bootcamps.

Don't do "approaches" or A1s or C2 or S1s. Don't build "comfort and rapport", don't "escalate" and don't "seduce."

Don't take on a PUA persona. Don't morph yourself into a character or play-act. Just be 100% yourself.

Don't try to "pick up." Don't target HBs. Just be 100% natural and just go out and have fun. If you see a gal that catches your eye and you want to meet her, by all means go up and say hi and introduce yourself. dont' try to build attraction, just talk to her.

Dont' try to build comfort and rapport, just talk to her. don't try to seduce her or get into her pants, just talk to her.

If she holds your interest and you sincerely hit it off with her, continue to talk to her. If she bores you or annoys you or doesn't hold your interest, say your pleasantries and walk away.

Give yourself permission to be an AFC or a chode. Give yourself permission to express interest in someone if that person sincerely interests you even if she isn't an HB10 or even a 5 for that matter.

Go 100% natural and see how it "FEELS". It may seem wierd at first but I betcha in a short time it will start to feel good.

Acting like a PUA and acting like an alpha and trying to do everything the book says takes a lot of energy and discipline and sets you up for a lot of frustrations and disappointments.

But here is the catch, the women haven't read the books. They don't know that they are supposed to drop their drawers for the alpha that doesnt fall for their shittests. They go by how they "feel" and they can feel when someone else is at ease and being themselves and they can feel when someone is giving them the hustle.

IMHO you are taking this stuff waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy to seriously and way to literally. I think you are truly suprised when women don't do what the books say they 'should' do.

You need to get back to your natural AFC roots and do what you feel in your heart. You may not number close 15 chicks in a night and you may not Kclose or Fclose a number of them either but you may just connect on a natural level with someone else because the stars line up and you "GET LUCKY" like AFCs do.

And I guarentee you that feeling of cosmic "luck" will feel a whole lot better than an Fclose with some gal who fell for a line or was simply escalated into a fuck and now has a case of buyers remorse the next day.

Duuuuuddeeeeeeeeeee

You don't understand - that night WAS that experiment! The DVD I watched before is called "flawless natural" and it is about just being yourself. Did you read my post??? Did you see that place where I wrote that my "pick up line" was "Hi, I'm X, what's your name?"

THAT WAS IT !!!!!!!!

I WAS TRYING TO BE NATURAL ! I was being SUPER NORMAL. I told myself "fuck all this PUA shit - tonight I'm just going to be confident, come to girls, tell them my name, and see what happens"

I JUST TOLD THEM MY NAME!! Nothing more! No games. No lines. No bullshit. No NLP. No push pull. Not DHV stories. (wow, I can't believe how much shit I know)

CAN YOU BE MORE NATURAL / NORMAL THAN THAT ??????

THEY BLEW ME OFF AFTER 10-20 to 60 SECONDS.

Read the first part of the post - I wrote how we were just having fun and dancing around and enjoying ourselves !!

THAT WAS YOUR EXPERIMENT - FAILED.

Nope, that was play-acting. It was an experiment.

What I am talking about is no experiment. I don't give a frog's fat ass what the end result is and niether should you. Just go out and do what you feel like just because you want to, not to see what kind of effect it will have.

Go by feel. Just do what you feel at that moment.

If you see a HB10 standing there looking lonely but you don't feel it in your heart to approach...don't.

If you are just having fun with your buddies and you feel like hitting on chicks....don't.

If you feel like going out dancing....go for it. If you see some gal and want to dance with her....go for it.

If you want to talk to someone ....go do it.

Don't get invested in the outcome in any way. Just live for the moment.

here is a bit from the book:



ADVANTAGES OF DANCEFLOOR GAME:
• Dance Floor game is a lot of fun.
• Become very popular/famous like a mini movie start with guys and girls groupies the guys want to be like you and the girls want to be with you.
• No need for talking or expensive stupid dates.
• Girls are looking their best.
• Easy to make out, get a bj, or get laid.
• Easy to find a girlfriend
• You will improve your physical appearance
• You will improve your confidence
• You will improve your social skills
• You will learn social dynamics
• You will learn body language
• Easy to network and meet potential clients, business partners, employers, tenants etc..
• Unlike regular game women Expect guys to approach them and game them.
Disadvantages:
• Women have bitch shield on steroids (a woman's defensive response to deter unknown men who approach her. Though her reaction to an opening line may be rude, this does not necessarily mean the woman herself is rude, or even impossible to engage in a conversation)
• Can be addictive
• Can be bad for a relationship
• Dangerous (fights, car accidents,stds etc…)
• Some women can become psycho, clingers, and stalkers.

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HERE2PLAY RESPECT! i like you dude, points your way, the post that i deleted was agreeing with here to play, girls can detect confidence like an intel microship, any hesitation in dancefloorgame you are dead...

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This is what I am getting at. you can't be 'natural' and "try" at the same time. If you are "trying" you aren't being natural.

I am not saying to be a natural PUA, I am saying to be a natural Phangan.

Be yourself with no other personas or characters.

OK..... this too was in my original post - "I'd be happy to pull home a quick one or add another girl to my list of girlfriends but the point is that I am NOT needy in anyway, I don't need sex, I don't come with an agenda - I'm just there to give value and have fun. "

It was an experiment in NOT making an experiment. The only rule I had for the night was "if I see a girl you like - I open her"

That was the ONLY rule I had.

That's the whole problem. That's why I came right on here to report my "failure". It was mind mind boggling. I was being NORMAL / NATURAL + confident and it FAILED miserably.

Dude i am not there yet... let me see if i can find something from previous post i am now writing about mistakes in dance floor game.. It is hard to write i am not a writer as you can see lol

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This is already word games man... I know what I was doing. I went out to have fun just as described in your above post. By "trying" to be normal I mean I let go of all the PUA "bullshit". I wasn't "forcing" it on myself because one does not need to "force" being normal....

From my book sorry for grammar and spelling is a work in progress: Mistakes guys make at the club:

1.- hanging out with too many guys: I recommend you hang out with maximum one other guy, if you are alone better cause woman lets intimidated and can even come up to you(happens to me all the time). Also if you hang out with other guys, everybody meet at the club driving separate cars. Why? Cause if you hook up and he does not, he will be like lets go, or you kill the chances of taking the girl home or to your creep. Also if you hang out with a guy or guys with not game or that do not have high value, it will bring your value down with them. Moreover, when there are too many guys it creeps women out, it looks like a pack of wolf trying to pray on a rabbit. I hang out BY MYSELF, sometimes I have a wing friend that I meet at the club, but if he is having an off night, or he lower his value by making mistakes, I hang out alone.

2.- Parking.- some guys stand in the middle of the dancefloor looking for targets without moving, that is creepy and lowers your value, you need to either park outside of the dancefloor, or be dancing having fun, I usually go to a corner or a spot outside of the dancefloor and dance, then when they play a good song or I see a girl I like I approach her inmidiately.

3.- Looking at a girl multiple times: if you make eye contact with a girl, do not break eye contact, just go up to her and say: “how you are going to look at me like that and not say anything, come on lets dance” or better yet do not break eye contact go up to her and dance. Do not keep looking at her and looking at her and looking at her, that is creepy and shows lack of confidence, try to use the 3 second rule, THREE-SECOND RULE—noun: a guideline stating that a woman should be
approached within three seconds of first seeing her. It is intended to prevent the man from thinking about the approach too much and getting nervous, as well as to keep him from creeping the woman out by staring at her for too long. Origin: Mystery.
4.- Grabbing or touching when opening: when you INITIALLY approach the girl do not grab her hand or touch her, the only exeption to this rule is when they play latin music, or latin beats for example shakira/ricky martin/pitbull or Regetoon. After you are in the set and she has not reject you then little by little escalate.
5.-Chasing: Do not chase women around, even if you are dancing with her and she walks away, just act neutral keep dancing or open another girl or set. Also sometimes the women will try to shit test you by dancing with another guy, let her do it, do not chase, you are the prize, no matter how tempted you get to do that. Remember to get a girl you must be willing to lose a girl. They do this too me ALL THE TIME, they end up coming back.
6.- Buying girl drinks and flowers: Do not buy girls drinks or flower, if you already made out with her and she is into you maybe, up to you, but I would not. If a girl ask you to buy a drink, say:”Of course” do you have 10 dollars. Most girls do not ask guys to buy a drink specially if she knows the guy has game, usually what I do is a say go ahead I will be right here or if she goes to the bar and she wants me or give me indications that she wants to go with me I go with her but I stay 5 step back like waiting for her playing stupid, like I have no idea what is happening and dancing, do not look at her give her your back keep dancing.

7.- No getting hints: Sometimes the girl will move away, or her friend will Hugh her dancing(rescue mechanism), or she would give you body languages sign that they want to be left alone etc. and the guys stay there like idiots, or do not get the hints. If you are with your wing and the girls reject you, by Hugh dancing the girl, do the same shit with your wing while giving them the back, they will be embarrassed.

8.- Being too aggressive or not being aggressive: You need to push pull, turn her on but also pull back a bit, the go back to turn her on then pull back, but do not be all over her to a point that she feels violated, watch my dancing videos I show you how to do it right. Your goal when dancing is minimum make out.
9.- not engaging the group: if she is with guys and girls you have to engage the whole group while dancing I do this by dancing with everybody including the guys(no gay shit but like grabbing hand and jump in back and forth in hip hop/reggae for example) or encouraging everybody to dance.
10.-Approaching difficult sets: If you see that the girls are into themselves in their on world rejecting people left and right. Or they are with guys, or you saw them they were into the guy, and he just went to the bathroom, approach other sets that are not as complicated. With that being said, Approach everybody I am just saying difficult sets with easy sets probably go to the easy set first.
11.- fighting.- I am a martial artist, there will be incidents guys trying to fight you, or girls that are crazy and want to fight cause they bump into you or you are trying to dance with a girl, whatever no fighting under any circumstances it will lower your value, you will be banned from the club, and the bouncers will beat the crap out of you, then you will get arrested, bail bond 5k plus a night in jail. Just leave or ignore and leave.

12.- leaning in: No matter how loud the club is to not lean in to talk to a women your back has to be straight as a wall do not lean even if is loud, do not lower your head, your head and back always straight when talking, if she wants to talk go to hear ear put a your thumb finger in hear ear(so it does not so loud like you are screaming and talk), but try not to talk, if you do, no leaning in.

13.- coming from behind: I do not recommend coming from behind, because is what every other loser does, there is nothing original about that, plus she has to turn around to see who is there, and if you get rejected looks really bad.
14.- Bumping the girl, or dancing back(her back) to back(your back): Shows lack of confidence and again what every other loser does.
15.- Asking the girl to dance: Do not ask girls if they want to dance, and if they say no do not beg, and worst after she said no asking her friends, what do you think they are going to say. NO TALKING! NO CONVERSATION, NO PICK UP LINES, NO OPENERS, NO OFFERING DRINKS, SPECIALLY ON LADIES NIGHT (free drinks)
16.- Having too much high energy or too low energy: Your energy level have to be slightly higher than the set you are opening, too much high energy and the set will think you are a loony. Low energy you will lost the set cause you will bring the down.

17.- Being a Dancing Monkey: I see excellent dancers in Clubs, with a all of the club attention but no girls, or if they are with girls, girls that are their friends, they never or hardly ever hook up do not be a dancing monkey. I do from time to time go into the circle or dance flashy to call attention for never more than a song or to, if there are hot girls around, just for dhv. Then I run my regular club game.

18.- Getting too drunk: I do not recommend drinking, if you do just enough to loosen up, drinking will fuck up your game, get you into fights, get you in trouble, not only that it is very expensive

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No, what failed was you were being a dick (at least with the gal on the dance floor)

What I suspect and what the other posters have been trying to tell you is that your "+CONFIDENCE" is what was shooting yourself in the foot. You think it's confident and alpha but what probably happened was you came off looking like some kind of playa (which IMHO is exactly what you were) or at worse you came off looking like an arrogant jerk.

Just because you say you weren't being an arrogant jerk doesn't mean that you didn't appear that way to other people.

If your display of supreme confidence is not how you normally are 24/7 then it is a persona that you took on and it was an act you were playing. I am guessing that in a few cases it backfired and you looked like some kind of jerk or at least looked like someone who was acting.

Either way if you were not behaving in the way you naturally are and you were being something that you are typically not, then you were being a phoney. People can pick up on phoney.

now sometimes people like that persona and will fuck you. but they are fucking the persona and you can not maintain the persona forever.

What I am saying is try going 100% Phangan sometime and see how it feels.

What I am betting on is that you will open fewer chicks and have fewer interactions but when you do connect with someone it will "feel" a whole lot nicer and more natural.....

...And THIS is what AFCs and chodes feel when they "get lucky" and almost all of them do get lucky from time to time

How does not agreeing to be a "dancing monkey" to some chick I just met - and dance for her as if I'm some kind of novelty act - makes me a JERK rather than making her a MANIPULATIVE BITCH is beyond me.

Her exact words were:

"DANCE!"

(word really, not even words)

*I* was there. Not you.

She was GIVING ME AN ORDER. Get it???

You are SUCKERS. You are always giving the girls the benefit of the doubt.

What I'm saying is that reality is a little more complex than this obvious line of "you came off as a jerk" and that other deeper issues are at hand here.


You are SUCKED into this paradigm of women looking for a confident but shy men and you will bend reality to explain things to fit this view.

My view is that they are looking for guys who they can step over.

I've yet to see examples that contradict my point of view. You keep bending my facts instead of bringing me examples from your own lives.

From my original post:

"Then she takes a step back and tells me "dance!", looking at the floor in front of me as if giving me instructions to "dance for her" "

If refusing this makes me a JERK than you have a SERIOUS problem man....