Saying everyone has a threshold of how good they can be or that some can and some can't is ridiculous. I'm proof of the biggest AFC, who now does very well, and I know I will continue to get even better.

It's like saying some people can become body-builders, and others will never push past 200 lbs. Bullshit. Even the wimpiest guy can eventually lift 500 lbs easy if he so desired. It's about practice and putting effort into something. It's not about how long you've been "knowledgeable" about PU. Just like it doesn't matter how long you've been going to the gym. If you have a good/bad workout routine, you will get good/bad results.

Stop discouraging people on this forum. We're here to help them, and receive help ourselves.

OK, there is a upper limit to what some people can achieve. I used to work with "special needs" guys who will never, *ever* get with a normal woman. To a lesser degree, that's true for non-special-needs guys; your social abilities can only go so far.

But you know what? Sometimes that's ok. Sometimes a little more is all you need, and *everyone* can improve themselves in some fashion.

The other important point is this: Don't settle. NEVER settle when it comes to relationships. Compromise, sure; compromise is a necessary skill in maintaining any relationship. But settling implies accepting less than what you need, and every human being has the right to have their needs met in a healthy relationship.

And you know what? I'm new at this, I don't have much game. I'm fat, ugly, disabled, poor, and don't even own a car and can't even drink anymore. A few weeks after I started this, I found myself in a hot tub with a fetish model. I wouldn't have gotten there if I had "settled" for what I felt safe going after.

Those 'people' are called Naturals. I like to think I'm one.

Now, pick-up is an education, no matter who you are or where you are from, you can always learn pick up. No one can be said as "got it" or "not got it" when it comes to pick up simply because there is always something or another to apply and think about.

It is not something you're born with, it is something you acquire. A skill, if you may.

Pick-up is no different than learning martial arts. While there may be people who can defend themselves without any knowledge of the form, others who might not can take it up to add that skill to their repertoire and for self-improvement.

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Don Draper- I do martial arts, and there are a lot of people who regardless of how hard and how great their instructor is, they are just not made for martial arts. I can see that a lot of people here don't really go out much, or they look for reactions from girls rather than results with girls to judge the effectiveness of pua stuff.

Well I don't know about your experiences, but I've taught martial arts, and there are people about whom that exact thing has been said, but when they were really motivated, they made progress. The problem is they are often motivated for a short time (like one or a few class periods), and so they do not significantly improve because they do not have the initiative and drive to truly work out any issues they are having with material. Again, I'm speaking form my own experience, which obviously isn't universal, but I would like to make a major point towards ANYBODY being able to accomplish. Some are definitely at a much bigger disadvantage than others, but all the same, it's the motivation and effort more than circumstances.

myth I teach martial arts, some people learn FASTER, get things EASIER than others. There is not such thing dude, some people learn faster, and are better at things than others, that applies to everything, does not mean they "are not made" . Pure caca...The most important part is REPLICATING the system that works... For example, that is the genius in McDonald any McDonald will look the same have the same burger and the customer will have the same experience, no matter who is running it...

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We get at least one of these threads every week.

Can't you just find one of them and +1 it or something?

skills360- "myth I teach martial arts, some people learn FASTER, get things EASIER than others. There is not such thing dude, some people learn faster, and are better at things than others, that applies to everything, does not mean they "are not made" . Pure caca...The most important part is REPLICATING the system that works... For example, that is the genius in McDonald any McDonald will look the same have the same burger and the customer will have the same experience, no matter who is running it..."

lol. You can't compare mcdonalds. People are all different. What if there were 2 mcdonalds but they had different qualities of meat, bread, etc? do you think the food would taste the same? nope. and possibly one would not get as many custumers...

I teach martial arts also, and some students who put in less work excell due to natural talent.

Okay, so some excel and other's are just average.

But, you cannot say that "He's never going to learn martial arts just 'cause he doesn't have IT."

What is IT? Well, according to the thread starter, it is something you are born with.

It's that non-sense which is harmful when propagated. Well, maybe you won't be as good as some guy who's Naturally good with women and uses pick-up as another tool in the box, but you'll still be able to be good with women after you've learnt of this.

No one can be written off just on the basis of "Has IT" or "Doesn't Have IT'".

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What about mcdonalds that are in different nieghbourhoods? when they hav a difeerent demographic that changes everything. yet most mcdonalds are highly profitable no matter where u put them! (i know i say most but sometimes it is poor management).
i believe with enough drive any guy could get great at game. if u are here telling us we cant then u should be somewhere else because u are not the type of person we want in our community.

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safety- You must not of read my whole post. You are being completely ignorant. Maybe you have the ability to be good at game. But nota nay guy does. Someday you will think back and understand this post...if you are actually going out a lot.

Dude the system, let me put it in martial arts terms: Gracie jujitsu, will work for any student that applies the system, by the way, i think you must be a horrible teacher... However, some students will get to a black belt in 10 years, some in 8, some in 5... But it works.... Dude, you argue for the sake of argument... The pua concepts for example " david dangelo" will WORK, if you follow the system... Now the problem is some people do not master it, or still doing their on thing or whatever...I have seen ugly ass guys(i am one of them) with fine as women read mistake #6, be humble dude, you had some success with "the game" but obviously you do not believe in it, the same with your martial arts students, please send them to me, how can you come here and already start saying they do not have it in them...:


The Ten Most Dangerous Mistakes YOU Probably Make With Women — And What To Do About It...
Here Are The Top Ten Reasons Why Men Fail With Women — And How To Make Sure YOU Avoid Every One Of These Deadly Common Mistakes...

- By David DeAngelo, Author Of “Double Your Dating”

MISTAKE #1: Being Too Much Of A “Nice Guy”

Have you ever noticed that the really attractive women never seem to be attracted "nice" guys? Of course you have. Just like me, I'm sure you've had attractive female friends that always seemed to date "jerks"... but for some reason they were never romantically interested in YOU.

What's going on here? It's actually very simple...

Women don't base their choices of men on how "nice" a guy is. They choose the men they do because they feel a powerful GUT LEVEL ATTRACTION for them. And guess what? Being nice doesn't make a woman FEEL that powerful ATTRACTION. And being NICE doesn't make a woman CHOOSE you. I realize that this doesn't make a lot of logical sense, and it's hard to ACCEPT... but GET OVER IT. Until you accept this FACT and begin to act on it, you'll NEVER have the success with women that you want.

MISTAKE #2: Trying To “Convince Her To Like You"

What do most guys do when they meet a woman that they REALLY like... but she's just notinterested? Right! They try to "convince" the woman to feel differently.

Well, I have news for you... YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE HOW A WOMAN "FEELS" WHEN IT COMES TO ATTRACTION! Never, ever, EVER. You cannot CONVINCE a woman to feel differently about you with "logic and reasoning". Think about it.

If a woman doesn't "feel it" for you, how in the world do you expect to change that FEELING by being "reasonable" with her? But we all do it. When a woman just isn't interested, we beg, plead, chase, and do our best to change her mind. Bad idea. One that will never work.

MISTAKE #3: Looking To Her For Approval Or Permission

In our desire to please women (which we mistakenly think will make them like us), us guys are always doing things to get a woman's "approval" or "permission". Another HORRIBLE idea. Women are NEVER attracted to the types of men who kiss up to them... EVER.

Don't get me wrong here. You don't have to treat women BADLY for them to like you. But if you think that treating a woman well means "always getting her approval and permission for things", think again. You will never succeed by looking for approval. Women actually get ANNOYED at men who seek their approval.

Doubt me? Just ask any attractive woman if Wussy guys who chase her around and want her approval annoy her...

MISTAKE #4: Trying To “Buy” Her Affection With Food And Gifts

How many times have you taken a woman out to a nice dinner, bought her gifts and flowers, and had her REJECT you for someone who didn't treat her even HALF as well as you did? If you're like me, then you've had it happen a LOT.

Well guess what? It's only NATURAL when this happens... That's right, I said NATURAL. When you do these things, you send a clear message: "I don't think you'll like me for who I am, so I'm going to try to buy your attention and affection".

Your good intentions usually come across to women as over-compensation for insecurity, and weak attempts at manipulation. That's right, I said that women see this as MANIPULATION.

MISTAKE #5: Sharing “How You Feel” Too Early In The Relationship With Her

Another huge and unfortunate mistake that most men make with women is sharing how they "feel" too early on. Attractive women are rare. And they get a LOT of attention from men. Most men don't realize this, but attractive women are being approached in one way or another ALL THE TIME.

An attractive woman is often approached several times a DAY by men who are interested. This translate into dozens of times per week, and often HUNDREDS of times per month.

And guess what? Attractive women have usually dated a LOT of men. That's right. They have EXPERIENCE. They know what to expect. And one thing that turns an attractive women off and sends her running away faster than just about anything is a guy who starts saying "You know, I really, REALLY like you" after one or two dates.

This signals to the woman that you're just like all the other guys who fall for her too fast... and can't control themselves.

Don't do it. Lean back. Relax. There's a much better way...

MISTAKE #6: Not “Getting” How Attraction Works For Women

Women are VERY different from men when it comes to ATTRACTION. You need to accept this fact, and deal with it. When a man sees a beautiful, young, sexy woman, he INSTANTLY feels a sexual attraction.

But does the same apply for women? Do women feel sexual attraction to men based mostly on looks? Or is something else going on? Well, after studying this topic for over five full years now, I can tell you that women usually have their "attraction mechanisms" triggered by things OTHER than looks.

Have you ever noticed that you see a lot more average and unattractive men with beautiful women than the other way around? Think about it.

Women are more attracted to certain qualities in men... and they're attracted to the way a man makes them FEEL than they are to looks alone. If you know how to use your body language and communication correctly, you can make women feel the same kind of powerful sexual attraction to you that YOU feel when you see a hot, sexy young woman. But it's not an accident. You have to LEARN how to do this.

And ANY guy can learn how...

MISTAKE #7: Thinking That It Takes Money And Looks

One of the most common mistakes that guys make is giving up before they've even gotten started... because they think that attractive women are only interested in men who have looks and money... or guys who are a certain height... or guys who are a certain age. And sure, there are some women who are only interested in these things.

But MOST women are far more interested in a man's personality than his wallet or his looks. There are personality traits that attract women like a magnet... And if you learn what they are and how to use them, YOU can be one of these guys.

YOU DO NOT have to "settle" for a woman just because you aren't rich, tall, or handsome.

Let me say this again: If you know how to use your body language and communication correctly, you can make women feel the same kind of powerful sexual attraction to you that YOU feel when you see a hot, sexy young woman.

MISTAKE #8: SPAM All Of Your Power To Women

Earlier I mentioned that it's a mistake to look to a woman for approval or permission. Well, another similar tactic that a lot of guys use is SPAM THEIR POWER to women. Said differently, guys try to get women to like them by doing whatever the woman wants. Another bad idea...

Women are NEVER attracted to men that they can walk all over... Women aren't attracted to Wussies!

MISTAKE #9: Not Knowing EXACTLY What To Do In Each Type Of Situation With Women

Now I'm going to blow your mind... A woman ALWAYS knows what you're thinking. Women are approximately TEN TIMES better than men at reading body language. That's ten TIMES.

I know, it might be hard to believe. But for example, if you're out on a date with a woman, and you want to kiss her, she knows it. And if you don't know exactly what to do and exactly HOW to kiss her, and you just sit there looking at her and getting nervous, she won't help!

And this goes for ALL aspects of women and dating... Approaching a woman, getting her number, asking her out, kissing her, getting physical... everything. If you don't know what to do in each situation, you will probably screw it up... and LOSE EVERYTHING. And you KNOW it.

It is VITALLY important that you know EXACTLY how to go from one step to the next with a woman... from the first meeting, all the way to the bedroom.

MISTAKE #10: Not Getting HELP

This is the biggest mistake of all. This is the mistake that keeps most men from EVER having the kind of success with women that they truly want. I know, guys don't like to make themselves look weak or helpless. We don't like to ask for help.

Hey, I've been there myself. Let me tell you a little about me and how I figured out how to be successful with women... About five years ago I became fed up with the fact that I didn't know how to approach, meet, and get dates with women that I was attracted to. It frustrated the hell out of me.

One night I was out with a friend, and I saw a woman I wanted to ask out, but I just couldn't get up the nerve to do it. I can still remember that night... right on the spot I made the decision to do whatever it took to learn how to be successful with women and dating.

Well, after a lot of hard work and trying all kinds of crazy things, I finally figured it all out. I can now approach just about any woman and get her number almost instantly. I've dated models, I've dated actresses, and I've dated nice, normal, regular girls as well.

It has been a very rewarding experience. I no longer feel that sick, insecure feeling... like I don't know how to meet women... and I might wind up alone. I know that anytime, anywhere, I can go out and meet attractive women.

I've written a book on the topic, and I've done seminars on both coasts of the United States... and taught tens of thousands of men all around the world.

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It's free, there's no obligation, I'll never share your email address with anyone, and you can easily remove yourself anytime with no hassles (and no, I'll never pull any of these tricks where I send you a bunch of unwanted junk email when you try to remove yourself).

Of course, it even get's better than that...

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It's JAM PACKED with dozens and dozens of specific strategies for overcoming fear, approaching women, getting phone numbers and email address from women quickly, great inexpensive or even free date ideas, and how to take things to a "physical" level smoothly and easily.

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skills360- Actually i'm trying to help people out. In the pick-up community there are many people at a strong disadvantage who can only go so far. But yes i want people to improve as much as possible. However i don't want people wasting their time chasing after lies fed to them by Gurus. I'm saying have reasonable goals. And most puas do not have reasonable goals.
I am not new to this forum. I simply have created a new account. I have studied game and self improvement very hard for the last 2.5 years. Not only have a studied but i've gone out about 5-6 times a week for that time. I have come to realize that it isn't really about using game to win girls over, but instead it's about reconizing the girls who are into you from the start. Game helps you close the girls who are already into you.(social circle is different due to slow dynamics) Get in shape, dress your best, have grat body language and innergame, then approach the girls who are into you.
I think you are probably a good teacher skills360. Therefore i'm sure you know some students will never be world champions or even close to that. Of course you encourage your students to acheave their best, but would you lie to them and tell them any of them can be a world champion with your system? We both know there is always the guy who just can't get his balance down for the life of him.

I also appreciate all the criticism on my post! I am gonna rewright it to clarify exactly what i mean. Thou many will remain ignorant.

READ CAPS NEXT TO SENTENCES, YOU HAVE A LOT OF FALSE/LIMITING BELIEVES(TONY ROBBINS LOL):

skills360- Actually i'm trying to help people out. I KNOW BUT A LOT OF FALSE INFO. In the pick-up community there are many people at a strong disadvantage who can only go so far. But yes i want people to improve as much as possible. However i don't want people wasting their time chasing after lies fed to them by Gurus. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT GURUS FEED THEM LIES, I AM A NATURAL,I KNOW THE ONLY PERSON THAT I FOLLOW WAS DAVID D 5 YEARS AGO IN A ONITIS CASE, 5 YEARS LATER I AM WITH THAT GIRL, SO IT WORKED, I'm saying have reasonable goals. And most puas do not have reasonable goals. I DO NOT KNOW ANY PUAS OTHER THAN THE ONES ON THIS FORUM AND YOUTUBE, IF I GO BY THE ONES ON THIS FORUM 90% WANNA BE SO YOU MAY BE RIGHT..
I am not new to this forum. I simply have created a new account. I have studied game and self improvement very hard for the last 2.5 years. Not only have a studied but i've gone out about 5-6 times a week for that time. I have come to realize that it isn't really about using game to win girls over, but instead it's about reconizing the girls who are into you from the start.THIS IS 10000000000% INCORRECT, AND I AM 100% CORRECT ON THIS SINCE I DO DANCE CLUB GAME MOST GIRLS ARE NOT INTO ME FROM THE START! Game helps you close the girls who are already into you.(social circle is different due to slow dynamics) Get in shape, dress your best, have grat body language and innergame, then approach the girls who are into you. 1000% ABSOLUTE INCORRECT, AS I SAID I DO DANCECLUB GAME, MY CURRENT GIRL(5 YEARS) WAS NOT INTO ME AT ALL..
I think you are probably a good teacher skills360. THANK YOU MY STUDENTS THINK SO..Therefore i'm sure you know some students will never be world champions or even close to that. BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH Of course you encourage your students to acheave their best, but would you lie to them and tell them any of them can be a world champion with your system? We both know there is always the guy who just can't get his balance down for the life of him. WELL I DO NOT TEACH THEM TO BE WORLD CHAMPIONS I TEACH THEM TO BE GOOD AT THE MARTIAL ART I TEACH, BUT I WILL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, BACK FLIP, PEOPLE ARE SCARE TO DEATH TO DO A BACKFLIP, WITH MY SYSTEM I CAN TEACH YOU TO DO A BACKFLIP, IN A WEEK, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE...

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