Any short and thrifty techniques for this? More pecifically for phone/message game scenario. This is connected to a thread I've done in another part of the site, but I then realised it's a good general question aswell.

This concept could actually backfire on you.

So ironic Im currently struggling with this issue.

I have too much value.

Yes,you can have too much value which in turns would turn off the girl.

Imagine a celebrity who has sky-high social value.

How do you thik verage girls would respond to him?

They would shy away,knowing they cannot meassure up nor impress him.

So believe it or not,Brad Pitt would actually have a much harder time pulling girls because he has too much value.

I dont know why this isnt talked about much in the community but it's actually been killing my game over the as 3 years.

I present too much fuccing value to girls,which intimidates them.

Sounds counter-intuitive.

This is the main cause for flakes.

I've been flaked on more time during the past 2 years than anyone in the world.

I documented them on the forum,but I never realized the problem until yesterday actually(lol).

3 years late,I now discovered the reason for my sticking point just yesterday(lol).

With an extraverted-party girl,sure having sky-high value would attract her.

But with the average girl who's actually reserved,having too much value will turn her off.

It intimidates shy girls.

Im currently seducing a shy girl over the past 2 week now.

I was supposed to meet up with her days ago but I caught a fucking cold.

But when I first gamed her on Facebook via mutual friends,I came off like a celebrity/rockstar.

Sounds great but such vibes intimidates reserved girls.

She was hesitent to open up to me because she was didnt think she could add up to my status,thus the vibe plunged.

I googled my sticking point and ran across the blog of a pua out of Sandiego,CA.

Since yesterday morning,I lowered my value to this girl.

I toned down the fun vibes and became more reserved.

The girl is now more interractive.

So she's less likely to flake now.

But let's say my social value was 9-10 and hers 5 on a scale of 10.

She will flake on me 100% of the times.

I cannot begin to count the amount of girls I lost over the past year dude to me having too much value.

The concept of having a lot of value only works with high-status girls or the super fun type.

Those types are rare.

Most girls are on the reserved side.

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k-loc no offense but could you get your fucking hand of the enter key after every sentence? It creates extremely long posts and it's annoying to read.

Secondly, yes being too cocky can turn off a girl. Chances are you're being too cocky rather than having too high value. I don't see how you can have too much value unless you're famous as you said. Everyone knowing you at the bar doesn't count as famous, when I go out to my favorite club everyone knows me as well because I went there enough. The dj's,owners,bartenders and 80% of the people inside know me. Yes this creates enormous social value but it doesn't scare away girls in fact girls want to get to know you. They're all wondering "Who's that guy over there? everybody seems to know him" and their curiosity will lead to an approach. When this occurs you don't need to be C&F, DHV anymore or at least not a lot. It's impossible to avoid DHV'ing and being C&F from time to time but I seriously think your problem is being too cocky because shit like that doesn't happen to me. They approach I hook we have a good time thank you very much.

Good luck k-loc

I like the space between each line, easier to read.

k-loc, lowering your value to match hers, isn't that just building rapport through mirroring?

Making her feel a connection with you, so then she opens up more because she thinks you understand her better?

@Gameison-Lol somehow Im unable to space my sentences properly via my smart phone.

They appear spaced on my mobile browser but others had told me my sentences are crammed together.

Anyhow,I disagree with you on value concept.

Yes,those girls in the venue would be attracted and wanna get to know this high-value guy.

But the only or best shot is for a SNL pull from the venue.

Im more of a social gamer over the past year now.

So Im totally aware of social proof and high value.

But let's say you weren able to pull of the SNL,so you opted for the # exchange.

If the girl is a reserved type,like 95% of girls in the world are(reserved),after that alcohol wore off the next day,her perceived openness and extravertedness would've faded away.

That girl would then flake on you once she's sober-minded.

Im speaking from experience.

I've had this issue over the past 2 and a half years.

My only shot was a SNL.

Once I didnt get the SNL,I got a solid # exchange.

But 90% of the girls would flake the following days.

And it's because I had too much value!

Once those girls are sober,they begin to question themselves,that the guy is too high energied for them,too fun,too open,too rockstarish.

A guy who's more reserved would have harder time at SNL but much better shot at meeting up with her in coming days.

Bro',it's general knowledge in the community that having too much value scares chiccs and intimidate them.

I'm gonna try google for the article I read years ago by Swingcat or Tyler Durden[if Im correct].

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