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What is coitus??? Too much intellect for me lol
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ok. most rafcs would have memories of trying to impress women by being generous spending cash on them=dinner.AND usually either being LJBFed or more often never contacted by them again.

speaking from an Irish perspective--we had booming economy where the cash was spent liberally and the chicks were getting free din dins from every overpaid sap that had a job.

The environment has now changed--economy and jobs are gone----so yer AFC,with no knowlege of pua...has realised hey ive got 300euros left to my name---this chick that i barely know wants to go to dinner at 100 euros a pop...and more than likely ill be left with a bill and a thank you while she hops into that cab never to be seen again.

he is evolving to think....hey f that id rather keep my 100
.....coffee will do
......if she wants dinner she can pay her half

evolving homoAFC is realising about putting himself first. not her...that nice guys finish fast...and to put more value on himself and not have her on that pedestal


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ok. most rafcs would have memories of trying to impress women by being generous spending cash on them=dinner.AND usually either being LJBFed or more often never contacted by them again.

speaking from an Irish perspective--we had booming economy where the cash was spent liberally and the chicks were getting free din dins from every overpaid sap that had a job.

The environment has now changed--economy and jobs are gone----so yer AFC,with no knowlege of pua...has realised hey ive got 300euros left to my name---this chick that i barely know wants to go to dinner at 100 euros a pop...and more than likely ill be left with a bill and a thank you while she hops into that cab never to be seen again.

he is evolving to think....hey f that id rather keep my 100
.....coffee will do
......if she wants dinner she can pay her half

evolving homoAFC is realising about putting himself first. not her...that nice guys finish fast...and to put more value on himself and not have her on that pedestal
I am still not worried. Once an AFC, always an AFC if they remain without the system.

Speaking of dinner and FINALLY ending this thread, an answer (that you guys have been saying all along) dropped into my lap.

I was watching something about building comfort and one of the tips was: Do not take her to dinner or coffee, avoid any activity where she is the event.

We have a complete answer now gents. I got the shift because I didn't manage venue or build seduction while building comfort simultaneously. thanks a lot for all the help!


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m2, first of all once an afc always and afc without system is a myth, i was an afc learn game through trial and error no system... Anyways, the reasoning of the event, is wrong read this mistake number 4:

The Ten Most Dangerous Mistakes YOU Probably Make With Women — And What To Do About It...
Here Are The Top Ten Reasons Why Men Fail With Women — And How To Make Sure YOU Avoid Every One Of These Deadly Common Mistakes...

- By David DeAngelo, Author Of “Double Your Dating”

MISTAKE #1: Being Too Much Of A “Nice Guy”

Have you ever noticed that the really attractive women never seem to be attracted "nice" guys? Of course you have. Just like me, I'm sure you've had attractive female friends that always seemed to date "jerks"... but for some reason they were never romantically interested in YOU.

What's going on here? It's actually very simple...

Women don't base their choices of men on how "nice" a guy is. They choose the men they do because they feel a powerful GUT LEVEL ATTRACTION for them. And guess what? Being nice doesn't make a woman FEEL that powerful ATTRACTION. And being NICE doesn't make a woman CHOOSE you. I realize that this doesn't make a lot of logical sense, and it's hard to ACCEPT... but GET OVER IT. Until you accept this FACT and begin to act on it, you'll NEVER have the success with women that you want.

MISTAKE #2: Trying To “Convince Her To Like You"

What do most guys do when they meet a woman that they REALLY like... but she's just notinterested? Right! They try to "convince" the woman to feel differently.

Well, I have news for you... YOU WILL NEVER CHANGE HOW A WOMAN "FEELS" WHEN IT COMES TO ATTRACTION! Never, ever, EVER. You cannot CONVINCE a woman to feel differently about you with "logic and reasoning". Think about it.

If a woman doesn't "feel it" for you, how in the world do you expect to change that FEELING by being "reasonable" with her? But we all do it. When a woman just isn't interested, we beg, plead, chase, and do our best to change her mind. Bad idea. One that will never work.

MISTAKE #3: Looking To Her For Approval Or Permission

In our desire to please women (which we mistakenly think will make them like us), us guys are always doing things to get a woman's "approval" or "permission". Another HORRIBLE idea. Women are NEVER attracted to the types of men who kiss up to them... EVER.

Don't get me wrong here. You don't have to treat women BADLY for them to like you. But if you think that treating a woman well means "always getting her approval and permission for things", think again. You will never succeed by looking for approval. Women actually get ANNOYED at men who seek their approval.

Doubt me? Just ask any attractive woman if Wussy guys who chase her around and want her approval annoy her...

MISTAKE #4: Trying To “Buy” Her Affection With Food And Gifts

How many times have you taken a woman out to a nice dinner, bought her gifts and flowers, and had her REJECT you for someone who didn't treat her even HALF as well as you did? If you're like me, then you've had it happen a LOT.

Well guess what? It's only NATURAL when this happens... That's right, I said NATURAL. When you do these things, you send a clear message: "I don't think you'll like me for who I am, so I'm going to try to buy your attention and affection".

Your good intentions usually come across to women as over-compensation for insecurity, and weak attempts at manipulation. That's right, I said that women see this as MANIPULATION.

MISTAKE #5: Sharing “How You Feel” Too Early In The Relationship With Her

Another huge and unfortunate mistake that most men make with women is sharing how they "feel" too early on. Attractive women are rare. And they get a LOT of attention from men. Most men don't realize this, but attractive women are being approached in one way or another ALL THE TIME.

An attractive woman is often approached several times a DAY by men who are interested. This translate into dozens of times per week, and often HUNDREDS of times per month.

And guess what? Attractive women have usually dated a LOT of men. That's right. They have EXPERIENCE. They know what to expect. And one thing that turns an attractive women off and sends her running away faster than just about anything is a guy who starts saying "You know, I really, REALLY like you" after one or two dates.

This signals to the woman that you're just like all the other guys who fall for her too fast... and can't control themselves.

Don't do it. Lean back. Relax. There's a much better way...

MISTAKE #6: Not “Getting” How Attraction Works For Women

Women are VERY different from men when it comes to ATTRACTION. You need to accept this fact, and deal with it. When a man sees a beautiful, young, sexy woman, he INSTANTLY feels a sexual attraction.

But does the same apply for women? Do women feel sexual attraction to men based mostly on looks? Or is something else going on? Well, after studying this topic for over five full years now, I can tell you that women usually have their "attraction mechanisms" triggered by things OTHER than looks.

Have you ever noticed that you see a lot more average and unattractive men with beautiful women than the other way around? Think about it.

Women are more attracted to certain qualities in men... and they're attracted to the way a man makes them FEEL than they are to looks alone. If you know how to use your body language and communication correctly, you can make women feel the same kind of powerful sexual attraction to you that YOU feel when you see a hot, sexy young woman. But it's not an accident. You have to LEARN how to do this.

And ANY guy can learn how...

MISTAKE #7: Thinking That It Takes Money And Looks

One of the most common mistakes that guys make is giving up before they've even gotten started... because they think that attractive women are only interested in men who have looks and money... or guys who are a certain height... or guys who are a certain age. And sure, there are some women who are only interested in these things.

But MOST women are far more interested in a man's personality than his wallet or his looks. There are personality traits that attract women like a magnet... And if you learn what they are and how to use them, YOU can be one of these guys.

YOU DO NOT have to "settle" for a woman just because you aren't rich, tall, or handsome.

Let me say this again: If you know how to use your body language and communication correctly, you can make women feel the same kind of powerful sexual attraction to you that YOU feel when you see a hot, sexy young woman.

MISTAKE #8: SPAM All Of Your Power To Women

Earlier I mentioned that it's a mistake to look to a woman for approval or permission. Well, another similar tactic that a lot of guys use is SPAM THEIR POWER to women. Said differently, guys try to get women to like them by doing whatever the woman wants. Another bad idea...

Women are NEVER attracted to men that they can walk all over... Women aren't attracted to Wussies!

MISTAKE #9: Not Knowing EXACTLY What To Do In Each Type Of Situation With Women

Now I'm going to blow your mind... A woman ALWAYS knows what you're thinking. Women are approximately TEN TIMES better than men at reading body language. That's ten TIMES.

I know, it might be hard to believe. But for example, if you're out on a date with a woman, and you want to kiss her, she knows it. And if you don't know exactly what to do and exactly HOW to kiss her, and you just sit there looking at her and getting nervous, she won't help!

And this goes for ALL aspects of women and dating... Approaching a woman, getting her number, asking her out, kissing her, getting physical... everything. If you don't know what to do in each situation, you will probably screw it up... and LOSE EVERYTHING. And you KNOW it.

It is VITALLY important that you know EXACTLY how to go from one step to the next with a woman... from the first meeting, all the way to the bedroom.

MISTAKE #10: Not Getting HELP

This is the biggest mistake of all. This is the mistake that keeps most men from EVER having the kind of success with women that they truly want. I know, guys don't like to make themselves look weak or helpless. We don't like to ask for help.

Hey, I've been there myself. Let me tell you a little about me and how I figured out how to be successful with women... About five years ago I became fed up with the fact that I didn't know how to approach, meet, and get dates with women that I was attracted to. It frustrated the hell out of me.

One night I was out with a friend, and I saw a woman I wanted to ask out, but I just couldn't get up the nerve to do it. I can still remember that night... right on the spot I made the decision to do whatever it took to learn how to be successful with women and dating.

Well, after a lot of hard work and trying all kinds of crazy things, I finally figured it all out. I can now approach just about any woman and get her number almost instantly. I've dated models, I've dated actresses, and I've dated nice, normal, regular girls as well.

It has been a very rewarding experience. I no longer feel that sick, insecure feeling... like I don't know how to meet women... and I might wind up alone. I know that anytime, anywhere, I can go out and meet attractive women.

I've written a book on the topic, and I've done seminars on both coasts of the United States... and taught tens of thousands of men all around the world.

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It's free, there's no obligation, I'll never share your email address with anyone, and you can easily remove yourself anytime with no hassles (and no, I'll never pull any of these tricks where I send you a bunch of unwanted junk email when you try to remove yourself).

Of course, it even get's better than that...

In addition to my free email newsletter, I also have a killer downloadable eBook that you can download right now and be reading in literally MINUTES from right now.

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You went through a lot of trouble on that post. Good stuff.


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m2 i am sure if i had a problem, you would do same! Let us know how it went, i am learning everyday just like everybody else... :D

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Well I haven't read all the replies on here but Id say it'd be either...

1. They had a few guys on the run and they ended up picking another guy.
2. You didn't seduce them fast enough and they started to lose interest in you as a potential sexual partner, you should've pushed harder for an F-close. I really believe that a day 2 or an internet date 1 are THE F-close dates, this is when chicks are at their wettest, if you don't pounce they start to lose interest.
3. It's a weird coincidence that means nothing.
4. There is a subtle flaw in your game.

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Well I haven't read all the replies on here but Id say it'd be either...

1. They had a few guys on the run and they ended up picking another guy.
2. You didn't seduce them fast enough and they started to lose interest in you as a potential sexual partner, you should've pushed harder for an F-close. I really believe that a day 2 or an internet date 1 are THE F-close dates, this is when chicks are at their wettest, if you don't pounce they start to lose interest.
3. It's a weird coincidence that means nothing.
4. There is a subtle flaw in your game.
Spot on sir. I made them the event, was too available and didn't seduce while building comfort. It's going to be fixed soon enough.


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Well I haven't read all the replies on here but Id say it'd be either...

1. They had a few guys on the run and they ended up picking another guy.
2. You didn't seduce them fast enough and they started to lose interest in you as a potential sexual partner, you should've pushed harder for an F-close. I really believe that a day 2 or an internet date 1 are THE F-close dates, this is when chicks are at their wettest, if you don't pounce they start to lose interest.
3. It's a weird coincidence that means nothing.
4. There is a subtle flaw in your game.

i agree with 2 and 4... right on...

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