A few words about myself. My life made a huge zigzag from a 23 year-old virgin AFC to a regular alpha male seducing 1-2 girls a month and then back to an AFC a few months ago when I divorced and suddenly realized that for 5 years I had been fully devoted to a single person and this person was not me. A frustration: no one would interact and make out with a ruin of a man and no one seemingly cared a bit about his 6 ft 3 in, his good looks, his athletic figure, his income and his ability to recite English and French poetry.

So I analyzed the situation and decided to have a look at the overgrowing pickup community where people with similar problems seemingly found an eventual recovery. I took to read the book "Mystery Method..." supposedly written by Mystery himself, the greatest PUA there ever had been in the whole world, they said. The first chapters of the book sounded reasonable, they consisted of tons of carefully analyzed and structured tactics that I myself had applied consistently all out of an intuition when I had been the alpha male, almost a decade ago. However instead of concentrating on the issue that I believe is the most pain for the most of its readers (and that is "how the fuck do I get into the company of women?!") the book just plainly stated that the apprentice had to go on sarging in the field for several hours a day because nothing is that refreshing than everyday's practice. The text then went on producing lots of useful hints on how to actually seduce a woman you managed to get in contact with. Dude, if I were surrounded by women, do you think I would not succeed in making one of them love me, for one night or for the whole life, whatever, and if so, what the hell would I ever need to read this book for? Why not describe in detail how you yourself overcome this, spending weeks just to master enough guts to approach a girl, and this is what according to Neil Strauss happened to the author once in his life? Am I that extraordinary to open the book not because I can’t communicate with women but because I have no chance to communicate with any?

So far it could be taken for a technical blunder of the author but delving deeper into the book I came across a passage that made me feel conspirologically aroused. A man called Lovedrop shares his “secrets” of how to get actually laid. Boy, this dude lives in his own condo viewing the LA beach, has enough money to spend time frequenting night clubs, has a pretty good appearance (I have googled it) and yet experiences certain problems with making the girls visiting his place spread their legs before him and so devised a witty plan on how to fix this! What a HERO! Imagine that a majority of guys reading this book are penniless students living with their parents and having some huge problems with self-identification. They are struggling through the Mystery’s algorithms reassuring themselves that once they memorized and “internalized” these zillions of steps, a girl most probably would be there waiting for some final coda played on her. What will this passage teach them? For me, the message is pretty plain: “A midget piece of shit, you will never ever get laid in your life, if you have been then it’s a God’s mistake, not to repeat again. Go drown yourself in the sewage but even in your future lives of a hedgehog or a moth there will be other more successful hedgehogs/moths depriving you of any chance to have sex”.

It is at that point that I started to actually hate this Mystery guy for composing this book and playing a really dirty game on all those desperate chumps who masturbate nightly and dream about love and affection and yet are uncertain about how find these. But let’s put aside my feelings, who cares, after all! Taking for granted that there’s a pure marketing thing underlying this book and the multitudes of its counterparts (please don’t tell me the authors simply try to make it a better world, oh no!) - from commercial point of view, what is the final reason to stamp your meek flock deep into the ground, to make them agonize with despair on seeing how IMMENSE their problem really is with all these tactics, strategies and practices to learn and all these millionaire losers to verify the utmost frightening reality? That is not clear to me. That is what I would like to ask you.

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I don't really know what you're talking about here. Can you be more clear about that Lovedrop part? And actually to Your question, the answer is Yes. Most people in this community have or had difficulties with laying the girls they wanted not finding them. You say if you had women around you you'd have no problems seducing one of them. That's for you, but now I'll go extreme. Imagine a 30 year old virgin still living with her mom in the basement, weighing 300 lbs, wearing hipster glasses, having bath like once in a week, and playing video games for 16 hours a day and spending the rest of his time with eating, sleeping and wanking. I can assure you there are people like that and I can also assure you that if they were surrounded by 800 women they still couldn't get laid.

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If I am not mistaken the only written texts of Mysteries I have ever seen (outside the archives on Mysteries lounge) are part of the "Magnum Opus." it could be you have a counterfeit book.

The point of the method is to build the life you want. I would take away the practical exercises. Internalize the analytical parts such as social dynamics, evolutionary psychology and develop your own game. Where you end up; whether that is fucking in a cardboard box or, living on your own island off the coast of Greece, remains in your hands. I have always thought of these writings as tools like hammers, or screwdrivers. In the end, I decide what the finish product looks like and I am the only one who can create it.

First of all, if by being surrounded by women we do not mean staying still inside a huge lingery shop, they will never get surrounded by even one hundredth of that much and the book will not bring them any further. That's exactly what I am concerned with, the general problem is being solved from the wrong end - "imagine you have opened a set of 5 girls using those magic openers, you know, what are you doing next to game them properly"? This creates a wrong impression that it is the techniques and that matter, not your psychological and physical state or whatever. The complexity of the initial problem thus just keeps growing with every page of the book and the Lovedrop's story jsut adds a huge lump to this burden. Why, there are years and years I have to spend to internalize the methods, to improve myself, to buy myself a condo, and even then I'll be light years away from my final goal (i.e. having sound relations with women). I'd be afraid to death by such a perspective if I took it seriousely.

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Oh so that was your problem. I agree with that. If you want to live 100% according to the method you will become insane like Mystery himself. I used the method to get a start. Because, as you said yourself it has some good points. But I could never take up the mindset seeing women only as tools for my improvement. That is nuts I don't think anyone within his reason would argue that. But sarging is fun. It is fun to go out and speak to total strangers and socialize. First it is scary but soon enough it will become a fun activity. I got several friends, both women and men through sarging. And the whole method is around clubs. You don't tell me you can't find a 5 set in a club. It is a must there exists a book like this. All other books focuses on how to build an attractive life style and how to be social which is very important, in fact, a must if you want to get laid. But if one does not even have an idea of what to say, what to say after that, and what to do after that, he will be hell fucking afraid. Because there ARE people who lack social skills that much. In fact I used to be one. Of course as you meet different people if you are not just concentrating on your stupid techniques but actually pay some attention to the whole situation you can soon learn a lot and leave your gay made-up DHV stories and canned openers at home and start having the REAL FUN by being yourself.

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I totally agree with your view. If I am a solid person equipped with my own principles and my own self-identification, I'll do exactly as you suggested - take whatever there is that sounds reasonable to me, think it over, tailor it to my own needs and add it to my existing lifestyle. Or discard it all altogether because it is not mine. But imagine a poor chump spending day after day trying to approach women just because the BOOK prescribed him to, each day returnning home in deep frustration because once again he was a total failure except this girl at the bar that smiled at him but then he was too scared to recollect if he should have DHV or IOD her... This guy is certainly not living the life he wants. He is an associal desperate creature in need of a good psychiaterist. Pity on him.

But how many guys are there who opened the book just out of a curiosity being a solid person in the first place as compared to the above described losers? I guess 10% or even less. Isn't it then a hammer that bumps over ones heads instead of helping to secure a nail just because it is being sold in a farmacy?!

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There is a saying from the earliest days of the community: Fake it, till you make it. Even if you are some dumpy loser who doesn't know how to talk to people, if you act the part long enough people (yourself included) will begin to see it that way.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck...what does that make it? Act like it, dress like it, talk it. Start getting into shape, approach just for the hell of it, have the attitude and eventually it'll start falling into place as long as you stick with it(just like EVERYTHING ELSE in life). The dumpy loser you describe is only half assing it. Also, guess what, even the best get rejected, so the fuck what? Take it as a learning experience.

The most sound principle of the method is: Perception is reality. You're initially altering perception not reality. Eventually reality (much to your surprise) will follow suit. I would suggest (if you haven't already) reading "The Game" by Neil Strauss. Then reread it.

Truth.

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k, you are taking mm, out of context.. With that being said try double your dating by david dangelo..

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Congratulations, it normally takes guys years and thousands of dollars to figure this out.

My current dating is zero point zero. Multiplied by two it will yield zero point zero! But nevertheless, thanks for the hint. I'll give it a check.

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Leo

Well no time like the present to fix that.

Look, I'm new to this as well. So I'm no expert.

That said, I've been doing a lot of reading recently. Ross Jeffries, Mystery, Race De Priest, and several others including Neil Strauss. They all have something to teach you, but only you can decide what tools you're going to use.

My inspiration for this? Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee is credited with the "toolbox" analogy that forms the basis for all modern martial arts: each technique you learn is a tool. You fill your toolbox with tools, then select the one that best suits you and the situation. As you can see, this is not just a successful recipe to become a great martial artists, but a successful philosophy of life.

I read mm, after the first couple of chapeters about women, excellent. the actual methood, it is sooo weak omg. Maybe because i am a natural... I know it works after watching the pua, but i still can not see myself doing any of that...

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Go check out Love Systems. They took all the crap out of Mystery Method (including some of the people you talked about) and built it into something that is much better.