Actually I disagree here too. I think these forums are a good place to exchange ideas, ideas, thoughts and opinions on pick up and I believe this thread is doing a fine job of exactly that.

I do not believe that James O is hating at all, just stating his opinion. I don't think we should get in the business of trying to censor or block the exchange of opinions or experiences if we don't like them or agree with them.

James O's thoughts and experiences may rub some people the wrong way because it isn't what they want to hear. It's very uncomfortable to hear that you may be banging your head into the wall and spinning your tires and that all your efforts may go for nothing because of factors that you have no control over.

While I have disagreed pretty stongly with what he has said, I do think his general message has merit and it's something that we should all give some consideration to.

There is A LOT of pure mental mastubation that goes one here and there are a lot of people stroking themelves and others and a lot people saying to read a book and try this method or that method and you are going to take Jenifer Lopez home. It is good to get a little reality check now and then even if it makes you squirm in your seat a little bit.

This has not been a hatefull thread nor one meant to poke fun of anyone or cause anyone any undo pain or to be hurtfull to anyone. The discussions have been valueable and the testimonials have been topical and pertinent.

PUA is not about scoring a one night stand, walking around like a pimp with a woman on each finger, or having threesomes.

PUA is man's attempt at decrypting the seemingly unfathomable psyche of the woman. It's about peeking behind the curtains of a house on the other side of the universe. About connecting.

What someone does with such knowledge is up to himself. You might not approve of some motives, but most of us are just trying to live our lives and handling fears and wants as they are dealt to us.

Who we are is only partially decided by genetics. Environment has a lot of impact as well. Not everyone grows up with a bigger brother, father or friend to show them the ropes. That's what communities like these are for. Being a brother, father and friend and thus helping every member achieve their full potential.

Ofcourse some will always be better at it than others. But saying studying PUA is like neglecting the hand you've been dealt? That's like saying an African could never make a lot of money because it's in his genes to be poor.

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Lol your an idiot


An a midget can very well score a hottie, maybe not a retarded guy only because he can't wrap his head around the concept of seduction


Also everyone who's ever made in big in anything has put countless amounts of hardwork an hours behind what they did. Talented or not. Lil B( dunno if u kno him) is by far the worse rapper in the world and he's making it.

Hardwork beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.

This is by far the most limited way of thinking I've seen in a while and you should really consider giving your thoughts some evaluation.

Then maybe you'll be one of the guys that score hot chicks also. You obviously don't do as good as you would like with women and if you would expand you way of thinking I'm sure that'll bring more girls into your life.

Also it upsets me that you would even post this, your putting guys aspiring to be anything that may still be unsure down. Why kill someones dreams? Even if wat your saying wasn't bullshit. Anythings possible. Anything.

Be a man and be proud. If you can achieve that, you'll get the women. Only quitters quit.

Most men don't get the women because they moan and bitch.

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LMAO! I had to

In my post i clearly said that people should aim to reach their full potential. And i never once said genetics or looks dtermine almost everything when it comes to your potential. And again i was not saying that everyone who does pu is in it for one night stands.
Skills360- I was saying that it is ok to settle down with a girl. I never said you have to settle for someone you are not really into.
"I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WITH GIRLS THAT REGULAR GUYS WITH NO DISABILITIES CAN ONLY DREAM OF, YOU ARE ASSUMING STUFF DUDE"
-relationships are very different than being a seducer who can get many one night stands, etc. Those ugly guys do not go into bars and consistently pull hot chicks. They slowly won the girl through a social circle. AND YET AGAIN THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF A FANTASY THAT SOME MIGHT HOLD AND NOT BE CAPABLE OF ACHEAVING.
here2play- thank you for taking the time to read what i'm really saying! i appreciate that. Some people didn't understand what i said and quickly started spitting out tony robbins.
Chase after your dreams but be realistic. I'm weigh 155 pounds after bulking up for years. I could never be a champion sumo wrestler even if i chased it with all my heart. My body physically could not take it.

Last comment about this completely utter nonsense.

Yes, it is a "I know a guy ..." story.

My best friend is a real womanizer. He looks a little daft, does not have a clue how to wear stylish clothes, drinks himself to death, smokes way too much, has mantits. But guess what, he banged 200 women in 10 years. But he can entertain women, knows how to handle social situations and has to balls to do what has to be done. And he just does not give a damn about all that negative crap written in the first post.

And I know that I could do better than him, because I have style.
I'm just fed up with this kind of complete bs without any foundation. If you have mental problems with your own limited personality, go find some professional help.

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In my post i clearly said that people should aim to reach their full potential. And i never once said genetics or looks dtermine almost everything when it comes to your potential. And again i was not saying that everyone who does pu is in it for one night stands.
Skills360- I was saying that it is ok to settle down with a girl. I never said you have to settle for someone you are not really into.
"I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES WITH GIRLS THAT REGULAR GUYS WITH NO DISABILITIES CAN ONLY DREAM OF, YOU ARE ASSUMING STUFF DUDE"
-relationships are very different than being a seducer who can get many one night stands, etc. Those ugly guys do not go into bars and consistently pull hot chicks. They slowly won the girl through a social circle. AND YET AGAIN THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF A FANTASY THAT SOME MIGHT HOLD AND NOT BE CAPABLE OF ACHEAVING.
here2play- thank you for taking the time to read what i'm really saying! i appreciate that. Some people didn't understand what i said and quickly started spitting out tony robbins.
Chase after your dreams but be realistic. I'm weigh 155 pounds after bulking up for years. I could never be a champion sumo wrestler even if i chased it with all my heart. My body physically could not take it.

Century100 said-
"Im 5'5, and weigh 50kg at 18 years of age.

I have seduced and banged two 10s, and that is no exaggeration. Every guy Ive met would rate them as at least a 9.

Im not even offended by your attempt at advice, because It blatantly is not true."

- what part of my advice disagrees with your story? none of it. You may be close to your potential. You may never get to the point of banging a different 9 every other day. (and yes that is the goal of some puas) But if you looked like brad pitt it might be a reasonable goal to bang a different 9 every other day.

I agree with this. You can just tell some people just don't have it in them to be a pua. My buddy has been into for awhile now and still no luck. Some people just have no hope lol you either got it or you dont

Must only be clear to you. Reading your original post, it clearly sounds like you are saying to just give up because some people are genetically indisposed to achieve and shouldn't even try. Now it sounds like you are back tracking. Honestly, your orginal post sounds like some of the worst advice I have ever heard. Sounds more like an excuse to give up and you want others to join you in not trying.

While I agree, we all have genetic limits, I think most people never hit it. Especially the ones that use it as an excuse to give up or never even try. My advice to them is man the fuck up and stop being a bitch.

Temptation bs, some people have it some don't, the dumbest thing i ever heard, re-read the whole post..

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Oneaday, i have underlined what i said- "This may be the best advice you have read in a long time about dating and seduction. This could save you from wasting years trying to learn game and figuring out all of these strategies to get hot girls. There are many guys on pua forums who have been studying pick up for years with little to no success. Some of the reason for the lack of success is the theories and tactics they are studying, and some of it is the limit to their natural potential. Be honest with yourself. Take a real look in the mirror. It may be time to chill out and enjoy other aspects of life. Have fun and make some real friends. Cookout and go swimming at the lake. Maybe you should spend more time with that cute girl who has liked you for years and stop wasting your time in clubs trying to get one night stands. At the same time improve yourself as much as possible. Make no excuses. Peak to your full potential, but try to figure out what your potential in this game really is. If you are naturally ugly and short you need to change your focus on becoming great boyfriend material. Focus more on social circles and go to clubs once in a while just to approach and grow your confidence. Social circles give you time to win a girl with other qualities, and with time she can overlook your looks. You probably have the potential to get a cute girlfriend. You probably could never be a seducer who bangs 50 cute girls a year. A perfect "10" may be out of your league. Of course somebody out there despite his natural bad looks has a "10" for a girlfriend, but they are the exception. Do you want to spend your life hoping you will win the lottery and score that perfect "10." Or maybe you should realize it will never happen and be happy with that "8." Stop wasting your precious time and money chasing a fantasy."

The Temptation- I am glad someone here can see things how they really are. I imagine you are not a kjb and you have real life experience.

Ok, let's start from the top:

You say: Some people will never get a girl with this PUA stuff, and they should settle for some boring ugly fat chick or something like that (no offense to fat chicks ) It would be better for those people to stop PUA-stuff immediately.

I say: Hell you're wrong, and i'll tell you why. Everyone can get a girl. Everyone can get lots of girls. For some it may be harder then others. But this forum, every book out there, and all the seminars we've all been talking about are GOOD for you. They learn how to act in the presence of women.

You say:
perfect 10's will never fuck a fat guy.

I say:
Maybe not, but is it really about the 10's for everyone?? Stop telling other people what to do with the game. For all i know, the people learning this stuff are actually looking at themselves how to improve themselves. Maybe you should have a look at yourself too. You obviously have a lot of beliefs that are holding you back as well.

I read it but its still my opinion. Yes you can get better at pua if you studied it but it comes more natural with some people and some get a lot better then others at it. That's what I meant by some have it an some don't. Like some guys don't even know about PU but still get mad chicks. Lol u feel me bruh?