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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:50 pm 
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My wife and I have been active swingers for several years. DO NOT DO THIS!!
I'm highly confused. You say your marriage has fizzled, yet you describe taking your wife to swingers parties and making it a one-sided thing.

I'm not trying to be rude, but it just seems like a lot of the issues in your marriage may stem from your approach to it. Again not attacking, just observing.

I've been to several swingers events with my girl and we've never had a problem. We discuss, set boundaries, stick to them as best we can, and relax and enjoy.

My girl has plainly stated that it's not really an exciting thing for her, but she is happy to do it because it's something I enjoy. That is the best that can really be expected from a devoted partner who isn't herself searching for something to fill a gap in their happiness.

I'm not going to go all Sigmund Freud on you, but I have to wonder if all this isn't symptom of the fact that you are missing something in your life and expecting your wife to fill it for you, and when she doesnt your solution arrived is to hunt for more tail hoping it will instead.

Just some thoughts to consider. Maybe the solution to all your issues will come from work on inner game, and not outter game?
Are you talking to me or are you talking to the OP? My marriage has not fizzled, it is great.

It's the OP that is having issues and I strongly discouraged him AGAINST looking into swinging since his marriage is not stable or satisfying.


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Oh man, forum fail. That's what I get for being away so long and not re-reading the entire thread.

I got the two mixed up.

Still I don't think swining is automatically a BAD idea for people in "dull" marriages. It CAN be a way to rekindle passion and build bonds for people who are genuinely considering cheating and leading a double life instead.

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Carter needs game i am 35, living with a girl(she is practically my wife, without being a wife, and i have to game her constantly to keep this status lol) First, you need to fix your marriage(Use the game in your marriage), second you need to game her to allow you to go out(crucial), 3rd try swingclub game, high class swingclub, you do not need much game to do swingclub game...Start slow just touching no intercourse and then as you go open up more, that may save your marriage..But the difference between a friendship and a relationship is intimacy, you are practically roomates with the title, that is sad...Also get this and have your wife listen to it and watch it with you before anything else, here2play is right on the money, very solid advise:



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Who knows, seeing me as a player might even rekindle some desire into her...

So where do I start?
Ok, here is where some of this PUA stuff may come in handy but not in the way that you think.

The chances are that she hasn't actually lost her sexdrive or her interest in romance/passion/sexuality etc. She probably has just lost her attraction and respect in you.

Now if you go out and start hustling other chicks she will probably just lose whatever few grains of respect for you that she has now and it will all be over.

BUT, if you can learn about what actually attracts women and start to change a lot of things in your life (ie, start hitting the gym hard, toning up, losing wieght, new wardrobe, new hairstyle, better grooming, start getting some new fun hobbies, start hanging out with fun active people etc etc) she may start to take notice.

So where to start????????

Start by freezing her out. Don't give her the cold shoulder or start blowing her off or anything. Just get busy with getting a life that you enjoy and that is active, fun and healthy.

Join the gym and start working out. start a new or get back into an old hobby that you enjoy and that is healthy and fun. Get a social life and start doing activities with friends. The key word here is BUSY. Just be busy.

Don't bug her for anything. don't ask her for permission for anything. Just get out and do it. Dont' run it by her, don't tell her where you are going unless she specifically asks.

IF she asks just tell her matter of factly as you are walking out the door.

Don't rely on her for fun. Dont ask her to do anything or invite her for anything, just get out and have your own fun life.

Above all DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ASK HER OR BUG HER FOR SEX! Spank to porn in the middle of the night if you have to.

What you are doing is moving on with your life and getting a fun and healthy lifestyle WITHOUT hustling any new chicks. Keep it clean. Keep your nose clean and have no skeletons in your closet.

In a few months she will wonder what is up. you will be looking better, more healthy, having fun and engaged with a new social circle.

She may want to get back into your life. If that happens then you can start flirting her up and employing some of the pick up and seduction techniques described in the PUA community.

Or she may realize that you really are living two completely different lives and move forward with the divorce.

If she (or you) decide to move on the divorce you will be a MUCH better position of finding someone new as you will be looking better, having a fun and active lifestyle and enjoying life.

You will also be much more effective at attracting someone new because you will be coming from a position of having a fun lifestyle and being active as opposed to coming from a position of sexual frustration and desparation.
I froze out my live-in GF, and it pretty well ended the relationship. I went more active, and she went inactive. It is kind of an angry move and can seem dickish from afar, but it certainly sped up the dying process. I could have put a lot more effort into the relationship to make it mediocre and be "somewhat satisfied" for another year or two. A freeze-out in a committed relationship is not a fun move.


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you do not change the relationship, you change the problem... Remember that!

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Oh man, forum fail. That's what I get for being away so long and not re-reading the entire thread.

I got the two mixed up.
No problem. I thought that may have been the case.


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Still I don't think swining is automatically a BAD idea for people in "dull" marriages. It CAN be a way to rekindle passion and build bonds for people who are genuinely considering cheating and leading a double life instead.
There are so many variables and different situations it's hard to really pin down at what point it can be fun and benificial vs at what point it will be destructive.

IMHO if someone is "genuinely considering cheating and leading a double life instead" I think that is past the point of it ever working and will lead to a quicker destruction of the marriage.

If a couple has a fundamentally sound marriage, compassion and respect for each other and both of them have a reasonably satisfying sexlife, the extra fun and excitement that it can bring may be welcomed by both. It's all good at that point.

I do NOT believe that the OP is in that situation at all and I believe that it is at a point where it can only cause destruction and pain.

The best analogy I have heard swinging describes as is it is an accelerant or an amplifyer. It will intensify whatever the underlying relationship is.

A perfect analogy is swinging is like wind to a fire. If the fire is solidly rooted and burning well, the wind will make it burn hotter. If the fire is instead weak and flickering, it will blow it out.

I think the OP's relationship is weak and flickering.


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