I read somewhere that a direct mailing template that generates 7-8% response rate is damn good. Meaning that if I send 100 mailings out and get 7 responses, that template is successful. So I got to thinking, is this the case when sending out emails to hotties online? Not just online but also when cold approaching? What is considered good PUA standard when going out and cold approaching a women or groups with women in, when it comes to getting her number or kiss closing, or even same night laying if you are a good PUA and that is your aim? Would for example, going out and being able to consistently get 5 number closes out of 10 approaches, be considered a good standard amongst other skilled PUAs? Would going out and being able to consistently get 2 Kiss Closes out of 10 approaches be considered good, solid game?

I know there is far more to the game than just cold approach and perhaps building a social life and big social network is possibly more important. This really isn't much of a problem for me though. I have a good social life with a lot of friends, some of which attractive women, some of which are attracted to me. But I think it is also important to work on your foundation of skills in whatever skill set you are trying to attain or improve on and being able to do cold approach well consistently does allow you to very quickly add great women to your social circle and in turn convert them to FB's or GF's later down the line, depending on what you are aiming for.

Part of the reason I'm asking this is because I often feel I'm very hard on myself and don't pat myself on the back when I have a success when perhaps I should. This in turn causes me to loose motivation and not take action as often as I should. Unfortunately I don't have any friends that are better than me at this Pick Up stuff, so I have no-one in close proximity to gauge my skill level too. So what happens is I'll do something cool that once upon a time I never thought was possible, like go to a club completely alone, and kiss close a girl and number close her within 30mins of stepping in there. Yet I'll still consider myself a complete AFC because I didn't F-Close her or something. In many respects I suppose it's good to not ever be completely satisfied because it gives you that desire to constantly want to improve but there must be a point where you can safely say you are a pick up artist and no-longer an AFC? Even when you still have things you want to improve on when seducing women. So what is considered solid game when cold approaching? What sort of ratio should I be hitting to say I am good at cold approach Pick Up amongst other PUAs?

A lot of people on here will give you different numbers and actual ratios. Nothing wrong with their ratios. But I'm going to take a different approach and say that it's relative. I view pick up as a process more than a destination. It's something you're always getting better at, like a sport. It's like asking Kobe Bryant "What's a good shot ratio for free throws" or something. The answer is 100%. But now he's happy with 80%. He used to be happy with 50%. He may never get to 100%, but he'll eventually with practice be better than he is now. I could give you my ratios, but then again, they'd be such rough estimates they wouldn't mean much because I don't count when I'm gaming. I'm gaming when I'm gaming.

I knew a marketing professional who consistently achieved 40% for some of the biggest corporations, IBM, American Express, etc . . .

These days, "junk" doesn't cost much. Most, even some of the most reputable companies, skip strategy and dive right into sending you BS. Back when a 'letter' meant a tiny dent in the expense column, marketing strategy was important! I still have a VHS video recording of his lectures somewhere . . . The following are some things I still remember and try to apply both professionally and socially.

1. Personalize each template as much as possible. Names must be used not only in the header but also within the letter itself. (This is back when 'merger' was a new concept in word processing)

2. Benefits! The mailer needs to be filled with it. . . and it needs to be accentuated.

3. In order to figure out 1 and 2, you'll need to know your market. This requires research and a few tests.

4. Roll out is not a shotgun one-size-fits-all mailer but rather a strategic placement of appropriate packages to specific demographics. Even though you are selling ONE PRODUCT, you send out different marketing packages to different recipients.

There's much more but the 4 above are already a lot to think about:

1. Those gurus who claim A METHOD is the best are a bit narrow minded. This is a "ME" strategy. This is like a car salesman chatting endlessly about gas mileage to every customer. Some could care less.

2. In real life, very few approaches are truly "cold". You've already seen her. You know what she wears. You know her body shape, the way she leans, her smile, the way she interacts with her friends. There's A LOT of information given already. As long as I've been a member here, I've recommended to many, "JUST GO OUT and say the opener/routine/close over, over, over again." The truth is . . . this is just to get you guys out there doing it. Do it enough and really . . . you'd figure all of this out.

So yes, I do believe a guy with solid game can have some great numbers but still, that's not my idea of 'solid game'. Solid game, to me anyways, means that a guy can be creative, inventive, and fun enough to get the girl HE WANTS without excuses of some make-belief barriers: Cross-cultural, cross-socio-economic, cross-physical limitations/attributes. You live once. You might as well as get the girl you really, really want.

Great replies guys thanks!

I suppose you're right when you say you will never 'get there' these things are ongoing and I suppose the journey is often more important than the destination as long as you stay in the moment.

I feel I've improved so much over the years and understand pick up at a deep level, yet I still find myself dissatisfied and so far away from what I got into 'The Game' for it's untrue. I think I'm just trying to find a way to measure my level of skill amongst others to see how far I really need to go and also trying to come up with a personal aim or goal so that I can gauge my level of success for the future. I feel that my goals sometimes, are unrealistic and I'm being too tough on myself.

I probably just need to take more action...

Solid game is when you can consistantly and predictably pull women of the quality you desire in enough quantities to make you reasonably satisfied.

If that means 1 out of a hundred approaches yields a woman of the quality you desire and you are able to repeat that with enough consistency and predictability that you are satisfied with the results then so be it.