chicoman change your FRAME, for 15 years i have been going to clubs/bars/lounges minimum twice a week, I HAVE NEVER TOUCH ALCOHOL/DRUGS. Again change your FRAME... Irrelevant, if someone offers me a drink i get water...

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This.. there's always one or two guys who simply don't drink that are hanging out in the bar or club with their friends. Hell there's plenty of PUA-dudes who go out alone and don't drink.

During the first couple of hours while you are drinking, you naturally hit state really fast. I can be buzzing and feeling good. But the final 2 hours of the night, the most important time (TO PULL and handle logistics) you are typically not as good, you are sloppy.

So when you fly sober, the first couple of hours might be hard to get into state (i think 30 minutes is a good time for me to go beast mode), but the last half of the night will be a lot better than if you were drunk.

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I haven't heard any mention of drugs just Alcohol. One of the biggest rules in the game is DO NOT DRINK. Yet it advocates going to bars and clubs to find women. News Flash, that's where they are in the best mindset to be picked up. Don't hamstring your game by not going to certain places and judging those that do.

Whats being said is like saying I want to go uphill because if i go downhill wind might blow through my hair and I don't want to contribute to global warming. Relax. Don't judge. Thats part of your inner game.

Get the negative judgements out of your head. It will only make things harder for you.

It seems to me like there is not a whole lot of PUA information out there for finding D/D-free (drug and disease free) women. To tell you the truth, I have bipolar disorder and take medication. While we are on the subject of alcohol, I just want to say that my experience is that I cannot handle alcohol. Personally, I am also a recovering alcoholic/addict and booze completely fucks me up, so I choose not to drink...

What I was wondering, though, are there any parts of this forum, e-books, blogs, or anything that can give me some guidance on how to pick up girls that do not booze?

A few other members made some good suggestions. I'm not bragging when I say I have not been inside a bar or club that serves alcohol in about a year. This is for my own safety/sanity. For me, booze is a death sentence, so I choose not to partake in it. Go ahead and make fun of me. I do not hate those that still party.

Another thing I do not like hearing is that I can go into a venue with alcohol and NOT drink. Nowadays, the smell of alcohol makes me gag. I don't want to be around the liquor. I don't want to see, smell, hear, touch, or taste it.

I am new at this realm of alcohol-free pickup. I don't want to pick up girls that booze. Do you guys have any more suggestions for picking up women besides just "go to the bar/club and don't drink"? I'm an alcoholic. Alcohol is poison to me. No joke. There has to be a PUA "guru" that does not partake in boozing either. I just cannot think of any right now that are good.

-Chicoman

Chicoman my man, i understand, do not do club/bar/party game, do online game and do day game, if night game you can still be around the club scene but just game outside the venues... no big deal dude!!!!! I do not like puas that have to drink to pick up anyways for me they are weak specially a bunch of the so called "gurus"...

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Just because there is alcohol at the venue and i might have a drink or two doesn't mean I "need" it to run my game. I don't know any of the PUAs who have posted here who have said they do either.

Now chicoman, great places to pick up women where alcohol isn't served is like amusement parks, festivals, fairs, sporting events anywhere there might be a crowd. You can still use the same routines you would in a club or bar. The difference is you have to plan your approach timing dufferently but otherwise its the same.

When I go to Magic Mountain with my buddies we find women to hang with us within the first few rides. It makes for an awesome day.

I don't drink or smoke. I go to parties, bars, etc and have a blast. You don't need drugs/alcohol to have a good time.

As many have mentioned previously, day game will be your best bet.

Sean Messenger (currently inactive in the community as far as I know) also is bipolar, but that didn't stop him from anything regarding pickup. He's got some great day game material.

Hmmm... some people can't go around the poison with out indulging. I know I was the same when I was losing weight. I couldn't be around any good food with out eating it. Sometimes you just need to seperate your self from things. Not everyone has the strong will starting out, it is something that happens over time. Constantly surrounding your self with temptations and things you want will inevitably make you fail. And if chicoman is attempting to stop drinking, then I recommend he not go around an area that readily serves drinks. Just like I would recommend a person losing weight not to go to a bakery. It's contrary to what needs to be done.

Also chico, you don't have to not go places with alcohol, just don't go to places where people get smashed. Places where people have a little class and respect like lounges, sushi spots, gatherings, etc. You can still live a night life but it may not be around the crowd you'd want to be around.

What the hell is this suppose to imply? Drinking socially at night venues makes you a disease infested homeless drug addict?

Well, you can sign up to a dating service, make a profile and strickly search Jehova Witness or Mormons. These girl's will seem more in your taste.

Do not attack someone just because their views differ from yours. There are plenty of women who are not religious who don't drink or do drugs. I admit that Chico's quest maybe complicated, but I already told him the solution. He needs to get him some upscale women and leave the party girls alone.

I rarely drink when I hit the bars and sarge. I find it fucks my game up.

Just because you go to the bars doesn't mean you need to get hammered, I'll often order a water or a diet coke. I'll usually tip the bartender so they don't ignore me when I want more.