Thoughts on 60 Years of Challenge's Anti-Manifesto



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 9:44 am 
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I am happy I stumbled upon this one though, as I have read 60's work, and had some of the same thoughts as you did.

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Thanks man. I really thought I was the only one for a sec.

I also really have to agree with Romeo. He has some valid points there.... we should tinker with the different strategies out there and try to get to incorporate them into our game in the best, most suitable way for ourselves. And also, most notably,... just because we fall on our ass a few times doesn't mean we shouldn't get back up, and try and get it right the next time around.

Thanks to everyone; I'm learning a lot. :)


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However, this method makes an enormous assumption. It assumes that there actually IS sexual tension between two people. This is not always the case. Most commonly this sexual tension is not mutual when there is a disparity in the looks department between two people. Have you ever noticed how you get really nervous/anxious when a really attractive girl walks into the room? By contrast, have you noticed how you don't even notice, much less get nervous, when an unattractive girl walks into the same room? If an unattractive girl were to ask you if they could borrow your eraser would your heart rate increase? Probably not. In the same fashion, girls could give a shit less when they come into contact with men that they deem to be "beneath" them in terms of looks. Women get approached by men MUCH more often than men get approached by women. If anything, they are much more used to dealing with the pressures and anxiety of dealing with complete strangers of the opposite sex. Thus, unless the girl deems you to be at least as attractive as her, if not more, she will not feel any realistic amount of sexual tension just based off an initial encounter where no words have been exchanged.
You argue against an assumption by making massive assumptions of your own that are even more flawed that the assumption you are arguing against.

You assume that a men are attracted to women in the same way as women are attracted to men. The analogy of the unattractive woman not making your heart race only follows if this is the case. However, female and male attraction are fundamentally different. Men care much more about the raw physical appearance of the woman, especially gender cues that indicate youth, fecundity, fat storage, ability to give birth, etc. Women factor in a hell of a lot more than just face and body - they notice subcommunication - is this guy comfortable in his own skin, confident, easy going, social value - who's he here with, does he have connections and influence, preselection - are other girls interested in him, and so forth. A simple experiment - show women photos of men - in some the men are surrounded by women who are looking at the guy and smiling, in others the men are by themselves. Women rate the SAME MAN as more attractive when he's surrounded by women than by himself. Guess what - men don't rate a girl any hotter regardless of what she's surrounded by. Female attraction is not the same as male attraction.

This is a major limiting belief you have that is wrong. It's not slightly wrong, it's completely 100% incorrect. There's no better way of showing this than with a single picture. I came back from Odessa, Ukraine last week. Whilst there, I couldn't stop noticing smoking hot 9s with the ugliest, fat, slobs I'd ever seen. Not just occasionally, ALL THE TIME. Finally I had to take a picture - remember this is not an exception or a one-off - this is the RULE there.

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Why is this? Is it some crazy country where it's opposite day every day? NO. It's because the men are dominant, leading, masculine and don't give a fuck, and the women follow and are feminine and submissive, and THAT'S what attraction is. It has NOTHING to do with the physical features of the guy and everything to do with the fact that he is comfortable being a MAN, being SEXUAL, being DOMINANT. That's all that matters. There is sexual tension between ALL men and ALL women simply by the virtue of them being men and women, as long as the man is confident enough to COMMUNICATE it to the woman.

As a side note, a friend of mine, who is a very good-looking, athletic, muscular DOCTOR who's incredibly intelligent, funny, interesting, and excellent at expressing sexual intent through his eye contact, was REJECTED a few days ago by a woman because he wasn't BALD or FAT, which is what the woman preferred. This is what is masculine to HER, and it's her type. What YOU THINK is attractive has NOTHING to do with what women think is attractive.

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Sorry to distract, but im pretty sure his tit's are bigger than hers!


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Ryan, thanks for your input and constructive feedback. As I think about what you are saying I cannot deny that there is a lot of truth behind it: men and women are [b]not[/b]attracted to one another in the same ways, and luckily for us men, that opens a world of opportunity in seducing them.... as demonstrated by your hilarious (!) and admittedly inspiring picture. haha.

I think the key statement you made is, "Women factor in a hell of a lot more than just face and body." This includes subcommunication and also vocal communication. Verily and incorrectly, I find myself limiting subcommunication to eye contact, posture, and smiles, rather than embracing the raw attraction power that other types of subcommunication like social status/proof can bring to the table. For example, walking into a room while leading a group of men and women, and knowing influential people at the venue who appear to value your friendship will no doubt have an obvious impact on a woman no matter how big your moobs are. :)

On a side note, I am now very curious about Odessa.


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It's kind of sad but something I'm learning very quickly on this site is to keep thought provoking, and arguably controversial postings that promote healthy debate to myself... instead a "right on bro!!!" or "bros before hos!!" post gets you a lot more reputation points than something I would hope to encourage people to share their own stories/theories on.
I'll second that although I've gotten great advice on this forum, it's sometimes hard to get any feedback at all when you're talking about very specific/individualized issues.

The "amen to that brother!" threads do tend to be the ones that get 80 replies.

One time I asked about something that happened to me that the doctrine says shouldn't, ever. (I was social-proofed into a group at a bar with my friends, was intro'd to two hot ass girls who were friends with the main ppl of the group, and thy were STILL COLD to me. I tried using an opinion opener and was basically told to go fuck myself. I asked for advice----no replies.

Just recently posted my chronicle of my new experience in my new city (lots more opportunity, but unclear how to proceed) and one person replied! His advice was solid though.

It's funny the advice was to actually follow more of the anti-game approach since this town is so heavily built on game.

....so you've just gotta take it in stride I guess.

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