hey everyone, I'll do a little background info then get to the point.

- 19 year old AFC, skinny, 5'11''. virgin

now before you guys read this and think "oh it's just another AFC trying to get with his "friend" - just hear me out!

I have been friends with this one girl for about a year. met her in High school, and have hung out with her a few times since then. the whole past year she has been dating this guy ( total douche) that used to be a good friend of mine. well lately we've been talking more, and she came over and stayed at my house overnight, after drinking and watching movies with me. we stayed up til like 3 talking also.

My question for you guys is - do you think I'm getting played ?

-she always complains to me about how her bf is a douche. and I don't console her about it, I say well you're the one still dating him, it's your fault.... blah, blah . etc.

-she wants me to move with her to college

-she told me she thinks i'm "cute" -- god damn I hate that lol.

-when we were hanging out, she was laying on my bed a lot, and being playful, tickling, joking, smiling, telling me I look like Orlando Bloom ??? haha.

but HERE's the catch. all that sounds like she's into me right?

but whenever she tells me that her boyfriend thinks she likes me, the text goes like this:

"My BF doesn't want us to hang out because he thinks I like you and that something will happen. hahahahah!!"

what's with the HAHAHAHAHA - like it would be some ridiculous thought to even think we could do anything at all. maybe it's just a slut defense?

ANYWAY, I really need some insight on to what you guys think here. It would help me a lot!!!

Seems like she somewhat likes you but not enough to leave her BF. Your her backup plan.

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Warped mindless is right, you screwed up by not gaming her at the right time, and not gaming her at all. To me you've put minimal effort into doing anything with her. Staying up until 3 talking? thats what friends do, and now your one of them.

Yes I fear you are right, and that I could've blown my chance.

I Forgot to say though, that her BF is leaving the state for college in a matter of days...

and she keeps giving me these responses like:

"oh well, he's leaving soon" and "it will all be over soon anyway"

stuff like that, which kinda gets my hopes up, even though I know I shouldn't let it.

Doesn't matter much, shes not afraid to tell you because she knows your not gunna do anything. Maybe if you suprise her with a shock factor its possible, but I doubt it cuz you need really heavy game. Also if you try to get a girl "on the rebound" they're very likely to say "I just came out of a bad relationship and wanna get things together first" (which you dont wanna hear, because you'll see her with a guy the next day)

well, he's moving 2000 miles away, so he's not coming back,

but I asked this girl - Are you gonna be sad when he leaves?

and she said "No, not at all" with a smile nonetheless. hahah. maybe she's just trying to to act like it doesn't bother her, who knows.

all I know is that I'm lost lol

All you need to know from this point onwards is that you are NOT her safe haven. She cannot do all these fun things with you and then flake out on you when you bring up the topic of her boyfriend.

My advice would be to start maintaining a formal distance with her and to tell her to take a decision about the both of you. I know, what if she says No? She won't talk to me again and I'd have lost my friendship too.

But, the truth is you don't give two craps about the friendship, you want this girl. So, take the steps towards getting her.

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Yeah I guess you're right Don, I need to be a man and just call her out on the bullshit.

I still don't understand the texts where she laughs types hahahah after saying some like

"my bf thinks that when he leaves you and I are going to hang out like everyday. hahahaha"

Is that saying she definitely doesn't want to do that, or what?

maybe she wants me to text back, we should hang out every day! ??

Ask yourself? Are you willing to lose this girl? If so, then go ahead. Game her. Flirt, call her out on the bullshit. Convince her why leaving her shit boyfriend was right. Then after it's done, get on that. Don't be just a friend. Be a man.

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She's not playing you. It looks to me like she's just kind of oblivious. You've been fully friendzonded, it looks like to me.

I had a simelar issue when i was your age. I had just got out of a messy relationship and started talking to a long term friend who was on and off with her chode of a boyfriend. We had never been more than friends hung out "talked till 3am" the one night i invited her out for drinks she stayed at my place and i ended up dateing one of the coolest girls i have ever met for that summer. If your real into this girl go for it. That was my attitude "when i see something i like i go right after it"

she is only putting the "hahahah"'s in because she is as scared of rejection as you are.

think of it this way if she just said "my boyfriend thinks we are going to hang out everyday when he leaves" without the hahah its almost like she is asking you if you will hang out with her when he leaves and she is scared you are not intersted(and why wouldnt she be? if you stayed up till 3 and you didnt make a move, she feels like you are friendzoning her)

go for it man, draper is right. you dont want to be her friend. be bold. if you lose the friendship then fuck it. go get her tiger!

dont leave thinking what if...

(just dont be afc and pur your heart out)
goodluck. btw i was in a similar situation when i was 18 and when we finally fucked she loved that i was a virgin. it made her feel special like i chose her. so dont let it hold you back. your weaknesses are your strengths

DUUUUUUUDE!! This girl was laying on your bed, acting playful, tickling and all of that? Why are you doubting yourself? She WANTS YOU! If a girl is not comfortable with you, is not even the slightest interested, she will not even enter your house, much less in your bedroom, on your bed, rolling around and calling you Orlando Bloom, tsk.

Let me ask you a question, what do you want? Do you want to be in a relationship with her, do you just want to sleep with her, do you want to be friends with benefit? What is it that you want? You got to decide on what you want first. If you just want to get laid, then that would be very easy, because she's screaming for you man!!!

The reason why she brought up the "My boyfriend thinks I like you..." is because that is important to her. She would not bring some shit like that up if it's not important to her. She's trying to tell you something here, let me translate that to you.

"My boyfriend notices that I am attracted to you, I'm laughing hysterically because he caught me, I'm laughing because I don't want to make it awkward, what am I suppose to do say, yes? and deal with his shit? No, I'm going to laugh about it to release the tension, I want you, I really fucking want you, and I really want to see if you're going to make a move. I don't want to get hurt. I am scared. I am trapped in between and I NEED a man who's going to be strong enough to catch me if I fall. This is me calling out to you, hoping that you would be a man to do something. What are you going to do? This is me calling out to you, what are you going to do? I laid on your fucking bed, rolled around, tickled you, acted playful because that's how I felt in the moment, I feel comfortable enough to have fun and act playful with you, fuck I even complimented you by calling you Orlando Bloom, why can't you get the fucking message, Fuck!!"

Can you see this bro? Now here's the question again, what do you want? Be clear about it. If you want her, you better act on it because once she gives up and lose hope it's over. You need some pep talk? You need a confident boost? Here's one:

Dude, you are fucking amazing. Most guys struggle to get girls past their doorstep to their home, you actually got her into the bedroom and have her roll around and call you Orlando Bloom. You are the fucking man and this is your life, you deserve to have what you want. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having desires and wanting to be happy. There is nothing wrong with wanting a girl whom you like, care about, and are attracted to. It is your birth-given right to be happy and live life the way you want it. It is okay to make the girl that you want and care about to be happy. There is nothing wrong with that, and you know you are capable of giving her happiness. You are strong enough to catch her if she slips or stumbles and you are strong enough to allow her to be ready because you're not needy, you're not desperate, you appreciate the fact that your girl wants to get with you when she's ready, instead of becoming involve with you half-assed, not ready and shit. You know for her to get ready, this is her being fair to you and to herself. You understand this fact and you embraced and respect her for that. The girl wants you, she wants you bad, and you know it. You don't even have to think or analyze it, you can feel it, and if you can fee it, it's pretty fucking obvious. It does not matter what she says, if she resists you but her actions speaks differently, this is her resisting because she is afraid of getting hurt and she needs you to prove to her that you are a man and that you are strong enough to be there for her and stand your ground as a man no matter what happens. You have faith in yourself, it's okay to have faith in yourself, because by having faith in yourself, she has faith in you as well. You don't know what will happen, she doesn't know what will happen as well, but because you have faith in yourself and you are confident to know that whatever happens you will stick with her and handle it, you know she will trust you and hold on to you whatever happens. You genuinely love this girl and by being genuine, you naturally radiate this quality and she will pick up on it and will sincerely love you as well. You can have her, because this is ultimately a choice. The quality of your life, the friends in your life, how people treat you is purely choice. You choose to live the life that you want to live, you choose the friends you hang out with, and you choose to have people treat you the way you want to be treated. Having this girl in your life is also a choice. You want this girl, that's your desire, in order to get her, you need to take actions, you need to make a choice, and by making a decision to get her, you can have her. This girl wants you, remember, she was in your room, alone with you, what does that mean? SHE WANTS YOU. Knowing that she wants you, are you going to pussy out? or Are you going to make a move, because you want her too? You can do it man, this is your life and you deserve to have the girl that you want. Give yourself the permission to take that step, and whatever happens, happens. You can do it man, I know you can, I have faith in you, as well as the forum. I know you can have faith in yourself as well and make that move. Good luck.



you're welcome
Nelson

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ps. Being virgin does not mean shit. Being virgin means you're going to fuck the shit out of her when you guys do get intimate in the same bedroom she rolled around in. This is your first time and you're going to make it special. IT doesn't matter about experience being the worst or whatever, that's bullshit. Just don't give a shit and have fun. Don't worry about pleasuring her too much, she WILL FEEL good if you're in the moment with her. If you do premature ejaculate, don't freak out, just finger her until she cums. If she doesn't cum, be patient and just worry about giving her pleasure. Don't stress too much about giving her an orgasm, that doesn't mean shit either. WOrry about giving her pleasure and making her feel good as you're enjoying the experience. If you guys are both having fun, she will be relaxed and comfortable which allows her to orgasm.If you worry about giving her pleasure, she WILL feel pleasure, and orgasm is inevitable. That's the ps. confident booster for you in case you have anxieties around sex, since you mentioned you were a virgin. Hope this helps and you welcome the second time. peace.

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I think that laughter in the end (HAHAHAHAHAHA) is just to mask the whole situation and make the tension easier. Next time she lies on your bet, go for a kiss!