This is a Great Debatable question.. in this post I will discuss a few debates I have had.. and also my opinion on the subject..



A few friends and I have debated this question often.. and we all seem to agree on this to a degree...

What it comes down to is what you want from the girl.. do you want to sleep with her again? Are you interested in this girl? Is she a "ONS"? She a ho?

I love back stories and telling them so...
I'll start off with me when I was still an AFC a lil over 10 years ago..
I was shy.. always LOVED women.. but either was too shy to get the ones I wanted most times or I was "friendzoned".. So.. The times I did have a girl.. I automatically made her my girlfriend.. Since I wasnt scoring often.. I put ALOT of effort into finding out what women liked sexually.. and building on it..
SO.. I made sure I was good at everything I did.. and thankfully the girls I did date were very helpful with that.. (Thank You Jess, Brandy & Jenny)
I did this for many reasons.. One of which was.. I wanted women that I did sleep with to want to sleep with me again..


Now to the Debates.. A "problem" I found happening over and over again with me.. Once I had broken my AFC chains... was.. I would sleep with everyone in this fashion.. When a slept with a girl.. I gave her the works.. I wanted these girls to have their Minds Blown and be like.. WOW HOLY SHIT!! and spreading their story of what I did for them..
Now I know what alot of you are thinking... Ok.. whats wrong with that? Isnt that the point?
in a sense.. Yes.. You dont wanna half ass it.. ever.. Then this happened..

You basically start creating "stage 5 clingers", Stalkers, Girls who now Cockblock.. etc..
It can effect you negatively yes.. I noticed these girls would get soo attached to me.. even though I was very up front.. honest about what was goin on.. we were "having fun".. "enjoying one another" and however else you can describe that situation without saying.. We are Fucking one another Nothing More..

SO.. experiments started.. I included friends on this.. I told them these crazy ass theories of mine.. and they marveled at them.. so.. we'd go out.. and pick girls up.. take them home.. and fuck them.. one of us.. would do well but not give her everything.. while the other 2 will Give it everything they Got..
The results kept coming up where.. The one that didnt go all out.. sure would get a call back and even maybe have sex again.. but it wasnt the same as the other two girls whom are now up the other two guy's ass.. whom pulled out all stops..

It started becoming a joke within me and some friends and any other new friend I'd clue into this phenomenon... One of us would be taking a girl home.. and we'd say.. Bro.. rem.. dont fuck her too good.. give her just enough.. haha..

Now.. I am not saying Im any sort of "sex god".. Im good at what I do because I practiced this like it was my job when I was younger... Remember.. never be too proud to have a girl give you tips on how to get her off better.. it will do you both justice in the end.. and often.. what she likes.. the next girl will like too..


The conclusion I came up with is.. Yes.. you can Lay a girl too good..

If it is a girl that you dont really want to sleep with again or def dont want to get close with her.. Do a good job.. but dont pull out all stops.. Get her off.. but dont leave her there as a trembling heap of Goo..
Unless you want her comin around alot more.. and you want alot more from her..

As comments come in.. I'll add further info and experience examples.. right now.. its a Sat Night at 8:20PM EST..
and I have a party to attend.. so.. I will talk to you all later.. Have a Great Night Guys!!!


~Genuine

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Keep doing that and I'll make you tremble...

Cutiest girl ask for more, unfortunately someone's creeping on my floor.. an empty glass a topless babe a knock at the door.. girlfriends girlfriends never could be more..

I give it as much or as little as I desire based on the girl, the situation and how I feel at the time. If she wants too much from me, then I make it clear that she can't have that much and she just has to be happy with what she is able to get. I make this clear before we have sex, but if it needs saying again after, then I do.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

Go for girls with boyfriends.

One of the few rules I try to stick to is: Only have sex with her if she knows what is expected of her and what she can expect from you.

If you think that she cannot handle not seeing you again... next.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

JAV ~ Them having a boyfriend does not matter.. nor does it if they have a husband.. what that does do is keep them from stalking you too bad.. but still..

They still get attached..


Ezo ~ Thats the arrangement I make ahead of time.. like I said.. Im very up front and dont lead them on..

Sure.. Next... and that I do.. doesnt stop a girl from stalking...


For instance.. Denise.. She was known as a stalker of mine.. I didnt even realize it at first till people brought it to my attention.. She was a stripper that worked at a club on my route when I was still promoting for the cig company I worked for.. the club was close to where I lived so normally it was my last stop before heading home.. I never did lap dances.. but would have a few drinks and I'd tip a couple girls on stage depending on how long I was hangin... I was friends with the manager.. so I never paid for anything .. aside from tipping..

The girls would often talk to me.. They didnt game me really because I wasnt a typical customer and was usually chillin at the bar talking to manager rather than sitting at the stage.. A few that I found attractive and were fun to talk to so I'd flirt with them a bit... Denise was one of them.. so.. I pulled her and hung out with her outside the club.. I was very upfront about not wanting a gf..
We went out.. got drunk.. back to her place.. I banged that girl down to the point that her roomate hit on me whenever she saw me (I wasnt attracted to her roomate).. Now here's when shit started..

I didnt hang with her often.. I was busy and worked multiple jobs.. aside from the cig company.. I also was a Bouncer.. plus I had a few spots Id chill whenever I wasnt working.. I didnt pay mind to it at first..
But it seemed Denise would often show up at alot of the places Id go.. even if she was out with a date.. she'd bring them to where I was.. whats scary is.. I didnt tell her where I was gonna be.. she just knew my patterns.. and schedule..

Like was said.. I didnt notice this at first.. Till one day at work... one of the other bouncers laughs as he walks up to me.. and said.. hey.. guess whos here?
of course "who" was the response.. to which he replied.. "your stalker"..
This didnt even bring a face to mind.. when I saw her.. Turned to him and said.. her? why do you call her my stalker?
He's like.. bro.. she shows up all the time.. and watches you all night.. the other guys and the bartender noticed too.. we said next time we saw her show up.. we'd let you know..
Sure enough that lit up a beacon and now I paid attention to when she would show up.. I marveled at this..
she started pullin shit.. like Id be sittin down gaming a girl.. and Denise would come and sit on my lap..
Some may think this is a DHV... Not when she is putting off signals to other girl like.. hands off.. mine.. She was successful at cockblocking.. sometimes.. worse when she would try to kiss me while I was talkin to a girl... well.. she got chewed out a few times for that shit..

Yes yes.. there are worse things in the world than being stalked by a hot stripper.. and she wasnt dangerous... just attached..

Eventually I did want a gf and it wasnt her.. I started dating this one girl that was a cool strong minded fun girl.. that was also quite hot.. hotter than Denise yes.. but it was more how she vibed with me.. I met her through mutual friends..
I didnt tell her about the stalker.... but she noticed right away and wasnt gonna stand for it.. she threatened the girl's life.. yes.. she was also a tough bitch.. 5'9 and 119lbs.. but yes.. Tough.. which made it even more hot....


The point of the stalker story is.. that was one example of blowin a girls mind with sex.. intended on being a casual encounter.. possibly to be repeated.. but nothing serious.. and the girl getting over attached.. and even when I was brash with her at times.. it didnt sway her..


I again state that Its not that I think I am all that.. and am quite sure it could happen to most all of you.. hence why I am posting this in the first place...

I would like for you to experiment with this yourselves and then come back and post a response to this.. I'd love to hear your stories on the subject..

~Genuine

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Keep doing that and I'll make you tremble...

Cutiest girl ask for more, unfortunately someone's creeping on my floor.. an empty glass a topless babe a knock at the door.. girlfriends girlfriends never could be more..

I think that is exactly what it is.

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I can't live my life always backing down!

Man, I gave a chick all I had twice in one night, AND used fantasy logistics (office desk in a large complex behind closed shades, then her hotel room LOL). Boom, instant stage 5 clinger! I've tried EVERYTHING to bounce this chick because all I wanted was an ONS. I've even gone as far as telling her I love her and that we should be together blah blah blah AFC shit hoping to turn he off but she STILL keeps coming.

Long story short... I concur with the research in this thread!!!

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Never tell a girl whom is on you like a wolf on a steak that you love her... she will most likely.. LIKE THAT IDEA hahahahahahahahahahahaha and then your problem will increase.. and you'll never be rid of her.. Unless yer in some fatal attraction thing like what happened to Tom Cruise in the Movie Vanilla Sky where Cameron Diaz's character in the movie was obsessed with him..

yes that was a movie.. but that is a good example of gaming a girl too well and then having mind blowing sex with her.. in his case.. "4" times in one night.. He def.. got her waaaaay too attached to him.. If you haven't seen it yet.. watch it..


Sykane ~ Cute... But if this hasnt happened to you.. then do as I advised in the posts above.. LEARN WHAT THEY LIKE/LOVE... Then try it...
In a way.. if a girl does this and gets all attached.. thats a Big compliment to you..

Also.. Most likely its not JUST having sex with her and physical sensation that was it.. It was how she felt while she was with you emotionally.. What did you create for her.. Sometimes in gaming.. you create an illusion that becomes oh too real for them..

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Keep doing that and I'll make you tremble...

Cutiest girl ask for more, unfortunately someone's creeping on my floor.. an empty glass a topless babe a knock at the door.. girlfriends girlfriends never could be more..

SYKANE ~


Since you are in FL... The Tampa Bay Area...

Why dont ya come and hang out sometime?
Maybe you can learn a few things..

I dont know what scene yer into... but def.. come out

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Keep doing that and I'll make you tremble...

Cutiest girl ask for more, unfortunately someone's creeping on my floor.. an empty glass a topless babe a knock at the door.. girlfriends girlfriends never could be more..

I find this very true, it's risk vs reward imho. It's also why i'll occasionally will tactically sleep with what I consider below par for myself women, if she has alot of hot female friends. They do talk about this shit and it gets around. Stalkering aside this is high initial investment for long term gains and very effective use in your energy, as later on you can breeze into extended social circles panties.

Haha biggus that's a interesting strategy. Obviously not good if u get a stalker. Although it's ok in a situation where u dont see her social group very often ( ie the girl living in a different city). Even better it she's an alpha female then others in her group may then compete for u as they see themselves as more attractive, thus more desirable.

I basically prime them with a few selected words, you stress these words and phrases, and they will generally tell their friends, it's almost some kind of funky remote pickup.

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After something casual/non serious.

After something discrete - possibly tell them a story about how I used to brag at uni and it came back on me, now I never tell anyone anything even my closest friends. (good for girls in relationships)

Generally shit like that - they will paraphrase that to their friends. Im 100% sure since I had friends of girls bring it up or mention it in convo beforehand, which means it's on as well

Yeah it got real bad for me... this is probably a total AFC move, but I drunk booty texted this same chick the other night and now I'm in even deeper. She actually paid for a cab to drive her 30 minutes to my place at like 6:30am to come and fuck me. After, she wouldn't shut the fuck up... so I drove her back home and upon return to my place, blocked her on Twitter, blocked her on FB, and haven't answered a single message. She started telling me she is falling in love with me and shit, really creepy!

I've been telling people this for years. I agree 100%

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