I'll try to make this short.
A friend of one of my best friends likes me. Unfortunately, I am not attracted to her at all. I feel responsible for her attraction/infatuation because I used game on her while intoxicated. I was always able to control myself though, I only went to 2nd base. She is very open with me in which I know I can sleep with her if I wanted to.
So the Dilemma: Should I sleep with her?

Pro: I'm still a virgin (20 yrs old) and this is my chance to get some action. She's also a virgin. We both can lose it together, isn't that cute?

Con: I'm not attracted to her at all and morally, I don't want to pull a "hump and dump." She's really good friends with my friends. I might even get PTSD because her face reminds of a guy I despise.

Should I wait it out for a girl I'm actually attracted to or just go for it? The reason I'm asking is because I know if don't hit it soon, I may never get the chance later. Advice is much appreciated.

I completely detest morality...now ill tell u what I would do. I would smash on this girl n that would be the end of it. I've fucked girls that I couldn't stand n its never bothered me. U should try n lose ur virginity asap...there is no reason to leave pussy on the table. After u smash, u can still be friendly to the girl n its not a big deal. If she tries to get clingy n weird just be like "I had alot of fun with u, but I thought u realized that's what it was. Im not into having a relationship, I need to figure myself out". Any shit that is like that should help u play it off. As long as u rnt stsnd-offish about it, she will be fine. Plus...u don't wanna lose ur virginity to a girl u r super into cause in all likelihood u will first fuckin sessions will be quick n u wont have any form since ur just starting...go fuck whoever whenever until u r confident enough to smash the shit outta super hbs. Gl hope this helps.

No room for morals in the game my friend. If you want to win you have to learn to set that aside and do what you want when you want. And never feel bad about it. The truth is if you make it clear that you are not looking for a relationship with your friend and she still is DTF then there is no problem. Honestly bro I would hit that while I have the chance because being a virgin at your age makes the game a bit harder. IMO

Also note that this girl will become clingy and other girls will notice this. If you play your cards right my friend one girl can bring many girls. Remember women like to compete with each other. So even if your friend isnt hot , a hot girl will still try to compete for your attention. This is why I go to clubs with my female friends.

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"I completely detest morality"

"No room for morals in the game"

Where do you guys get these ideas from?

The first ethical rule says : Leave her better than you found her.

If that's not the flagpole of morality, I don't know what is.


Now, to the question, well it's all up to you, if you think you won't get another chance like this, then by all means take it. However, if your morals won't let you be at peace and you cannot separate her face from that guy you detest, than don't. You don't want to be associating your first time with anything to do with a guy.

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I'm truly disgusted by some of the guys on the forums. Luckily Don Draper still has his moral code.

if you were in the right headspace this would not be a question of morality,
do you care about her, do you want to make her feel good?,
if you do, fuck her, but don't chuck her to the wind for it,
make her feel good, make sure you are honest of your intentions,
be genuine, and make sure she knows you appreciate her,

just try to offer the people in your life who deserve it, women and men included,
as much value as you can, if you are considering the possiblility that you would hurt your friend if you slept together because that was your underlying intention, then the intention is probably not justified,

sex should be about making someone you like, feel good, if you can do that, and still appreciate her, and continue to make her feel good, then it is probably would be a positive thing, however if you want to make yourself feel good, and you don't care about how she feels and will choose to make her feel bad in the long run due to this frame of mind,

most likely a bad choice,

good luck

fuck her doggie style until she nuts

oh yeah

and leave her better than you found her

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yeah do it--your first times gonna be a mess--you need some combat experience---and of course leave her better than you found her

Thanks for the advice brothas! I guess I gotta slay some dragons first in order to get to the princess. If I do end up banging her, I'll be sure to leave her better than I found her

leave her better than you found her... Plus if you are not attracted it will be a mission you will not get hard... Plenty of fish in the sea..

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hell don't do a joint virgin fuck, that's just asking for clinginess.

Just be confident knowing your game can work. Once you get that out of the way, even if you decide its better not to go for it, the morale boost snowballs.

Side note, take heed of those first couple responders. That is what you don't want to become while studying pickup. Those are the cultists

Figure out what she's looking for. If she likes you in a "I want a relationship" way, then don't bother. There will be plenty of other opportunities to lose your virginity that don't cause so much havoc.

If she's looking just to have a night of fun with you, then Hey! They can't all be 10s, right?

Really, as Don said (thanks to him, and all you other guys), leave her better than you found her. I know that's being repeated a lot, but it will actually end better for you if it ends better for her. Like I said, find out her expectations, don't go breaking her heart or anything, be upfront with her, and GO FOR IT!

If you're not attracted to her, I say you should be honest with your intentions and feelings.

If you feel what you are doing is wrong, then don't do it. There's nothing wrong with being a virgin unless you feel like it is. So don't sweat it, and don't do something you will regret.

It really comes down to your personal feelings on it. If you feel bad then don't proceed with it. If you think that you will be able to forgive yourself and aren't worried about other negatives that could come go for it. Nobody but you can tell you what to do and everyone has a different thought process on these kinds of situations.

This post will conclude the saga of this thread. Lesson learned in the end.

So yesterday, I was at a get together with my best friends.
One of them starts talking about how he has recently been banging the girl I was talking about in this thread. He told in great detail how he banged her multiple times actually. One of my other friends then mentions that another friend of mine already banged her a few months ago.

Before this event, I was actually gonna bang her the next time I see her. I was dreading it though because as I said previously, she is very unattractive. To give you guys a description, she’s chubby and has a dorky pig-like face with big crooked teeth…

I was so shocked to find this out because she had lied to me. She told me on multiple occasions that she was a virgin and that she really liked me. I mean, I don’t care if she’s a slut but I didn’t know why she would lie to me about it. I told my friends about this and they said she was lying just to try to get in my pants. I felt so stupid and naïve.

This whole time when I was thinking about morals, she was lying to me and trying to use me. How ironic?

It shows that girls, just like guys, just want to get in your pants too.

It reminds me of the saying by a PUA (I forgot who) along the lines of “you may think you’re seducing her but in reality, she’s seducing you.” I know I butchered it but you get the meaning.

I also had a pathetic feeling of disappointment because now, no pussy for me. I mean I can still get it but my mind is made up. I thought about how desperate I was, and with a low self-esteem, that I was willing to lose my virginity to a girl who can literally give me nightmares. That’s just sad.

I’m really glad my friends were able to get to me before she did. I can’t imagine how horrible I would feel after I banged her and found out about this.

In the end, the moral of the story is "Leave her better than you found her but make sure she doesn’t leave you worse off.”

I guess I’ll just have to stay a virgin a little bit longer. When that moment comes, I hope I’ll lose it to a girl whom I’ll genuinely be attracted to. But for right now…

Stay Frosty!