Thinking back, to be fair its actually pretty funny how much of a failure that is.

But im not sure whether its looks, or game. Maybe both
I look alright, but really young looking and 5'7. Im more worried about my young looks than height, because rarely people come up to me and say "FUCK youre short!", but often people will be like "Wow, are you really 18? How old are you? no, seriously. Fuck off, you are not 18. Really? Fair enough...I woulda guessed "

I dont think I look TWELVE though...i mean come on, have you seen a 12 year old?
No, deffs not that young..but I think 15 is probably a fair shot.


ANYWAY - in terms of my game
I would talk to girls for a bit, they would seem interested (not sexually attracted I dont think, but entertained enough to want to keep the convo going), i would kino a b it by touching shoulder, shaking hands etc.
And then id meet them on the dancefloor, usually they would bring me in to dance first, and then id dance for 2 mins, then move in put my hands on their waist, and then try kiss.

-One said "I should have told you, I have a boyfriend" (it seemed true, she didnt seem like she was interested in anyone and was just with her girls)
-The next said "Come sit with me"
so I did, and then put my arm around her and asked her a couple generic questions then tried to kiss her, she gave me her cheek and said "Im sorry, I have a boyfriend"
(she did, he was actually right next to her...im lucky I wasnt beaten up actually, PHEW)
-The next girl happened to be gay. I knew her ex girlfriend

And finally, the only other girl (that wasnt tied up or gay) got me up while I was sitting down to dance with me. I was like "man im fucked I cant" cos I had like, 10 shots
she got me up and was dancing, like borderline joke dancing, pretending to give me oral and shyt, and every time I brought her closer I noticed she wasnt actually into me. I then noticed her friends taking photos.
I walked away. And I wouldnt have even seemed that drunk! So i really have no idea what the hell her intentions were.


so 100% failure. And i gave it a decent shot. 4 girls! I dont think ive EVER approached that many with the intention to kiss in one night. Ah well, im happy I tried
To be honest, I wasnt using much "game" apart from posture, stance, light kino
I was more going straight in for it as soon as I received one or two IOIs

But yeah, what the fu?
Dont know if it has anything to do with it, but I was at the club as a photographer btw, so i was being social and getting girls to be in photos and simultaneously small talking (just to be nice, not to open)


If you can give me some general advice, that would be greatly appreciated.
My game this month has hit an astronomical low, one k-close and she wasnt even great,

Own the man and the woman will follow.

When I go to parties, I make sure to connect with the males first before hitting on the females because 1) I find out if they are there with anyone 2) it gives me social value to know people at the party 3) woman WILL see that you're socially accepted at the party.

If you just hit from girl to girl, you lose social value and no girl will want to dance with you.

You may not look twelve, but your grammar skills would definitely correlate to one. Anyways, doesn't seem like it was all that bad. It looks mostly like a string of bad luck. On top of that you should have done a few approaches to people nearby when the girl was demonstrating oral sex on you on the dance floor. Social proof right there bud.

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If I was a photographer at a club and a girl was straight up giving me fellatio on the dancefloor. I would have snapped a picture and been like "I'm photoshopping the hell out of this picture." Then I would have turned to her friends and been like "How long have you known Mrs. Money Shot over here?"

If she was trying to make you feel uncomfortable...do it right back at her.

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You all take 'er easy. And if she's easy, take her twice.

Don't worry about it, it's actually great that you're getting rejected a lot because it teaches you what your game lacks. PUA's often tell people to get rejected as much as possible in one night just to make them immune to rejection in the future. When they get rejected 20 times in one night a rejection doesn't mean shit to them anymore, and that's how it should be. A rejection simply means that she missed a chance to get to know an awesome man.

Tom_Maybe, that is the best advice ever hahahahahaha
Far out wish id thought of that

Gameison yeah, I spose youre right. I mean I dont really feel bad about the rejections at all...because the girls DID come up to me first to talk/dance, its just when I made the move it turned out that the circumstances werent right.

Sykane, commenting on my grammatical errors doesnt make you look smart yourself, im actually unsure why you would throw that comment in at all. I do agree with how you said that its probably just a run of bad luck though, I guess there wasnt much I could do to change those situations. It does show that im not attractive enough to turn a gay girl straight...ill just have to live with that

WTF IS THIS SHIT 100% FAILURE?
FUCK NO BUDDY, YOU ARE LEARNING THAT SOUNDS LIKE A FUN NIGHT TOO ME!!

sounds like you had interest from the girls but for genuine reasons they couldn't escalate

so here are some tips to help you (KEEP IN MIND IM NO MPUA, BUT I DO PULL)

tip 1) right off the bat, once you have attention and have hooked, try to find out logistics, HOW DO YOU ALL KNOW EACH OTHER?, WHO ARE YOU HERE WITH (IF SHE IS ISOLATED)? DO YOU LIVE CLOSE? ARE YOU BUSY LATER TONIGHT?

all of these questions mind you should be spaced out in a conversation, asking them all sequentially one by one will be counter productive to your pickup, but they should help you with weeding out wastes of time, BTW apart from what people say, don't go for girls with boyfriends, they are people, some guys think DURRR I CAN MAKE ANY GIRL CHEAT ON HER B/F, B/F'S ARE IRRELIVANT, that is just stupid, go for single girls they are more likely to put out then girls that have B/F's (also a little hint girls that are down to cheat that do have boyfriends usually don't tell you they have BF's)

next is if your feeling up to it, starting direct, can help you weed out low interest girls, you start direct and they still engage you, you more or less have a passive indicator that it is fucking on, if you don't fuck up,

the fact that you went for close is all the matters, apply these tips i just listed and try again, you might get a few faster rejections, but think of it as weeding out girls that can't hookup as opposed to you are getting rejected, it probably isn't you, it is either one of following reasons:

bad mood (can change this but not worth it IMO might drop your state)

has a BF (alot of the times these girls will tease and lead you on cause they like the attention, finding out logistics and going direct weed these girls out fast)

on her period (speaks for itself girls don't wanna put out when they are bleeding)

has a jewbag friend who hates fun and tells her they are on a secret mission to dance tonight and not talk to guys (these girls can be broken but it is hard to pull them home when the obsticle is cock blocking)

actually doesn't find you attractive (probably rare, most of time girls are just trying to impress their friends and gain an ego boost and validation when they try to blow you out)

but your getting out there and you had success whether you choose to believe it or not, i almost guarentee if those girls didn't have BF's you woulda been getting some makeouts

GOOD LUCK KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

I would curtail the alcohol when you're out gaming. I've found it's much better to be sober. I used to use alcohol as a crutch but it's really not needed and probably hurts your game more than it helps.

First---don't get drunk if you are trying to pull women.

Second---it sounds like you are Kino-ing too fast. Gauge and calibrate. Shoulder, the arm around her shoulder, then hand holding, then wipe a tuft of hair from her face, then kiss. If a woman lets you touch her face, or, grab her waste and hold her, she'll let you kiss her.

Third---work on the spelling and grammar, nothing is more DLV than low intelligence. The smartest hunter ALWAYS got more deer than the brute. Which means he was able to provide for his family better and was able to pass his genes on. You are battling perception, not reality.

Fourth---- So the hell what if you got rejected. Did you wake up any different today? Was your life changed irreparably having met these women? No. Dust it off and go try again.

Fifth---if you're going to build comfort which is necessary to close, don't ask boring questions. Tell great metaphors, speak with conviction, have awesome stories, in short be interesting.

Sixth---it sounds like you had a pretty good night. Better than mine in fact. Keep it up bro.

cool points M2, danke
I dont know about the point you made about being able to kiss a girl if she lets you touch her face though. Last night I was brushing a girls hair off her face, over her ear so she could hear me better, and she didnt seem interested in actually kissing me...there are details specific to this girl in my most recent post.
Unless you think she could be in like, a bottom 1% demographic and I was just unlucky?

All pretty good advice APART from this. You can kino very fast and you'll learn a lot by pushing the limits of how fast u can do it. You dont need comfort to close either, you just feel more comfortable escalating when you have it, but you can just escalate if you believe you can.

To the OP, mate 4 rejections is nothing, and most legitimately had BFs, so u were in a tough position. You did well to escalate as far as you did before you got the objection. Maybe in the future if the guy isn't actually there, try just deflecting the objection and just carry on escalating.

I also look quite young for my age, and so I work on wearing mature looking clothes (suit and tie, dress shoes with jeans, etc) and being sexual, lowering my voice tone, using seductive eye contact etc so althogh my features my be boyish my style ad actions are all congruetly masculine.

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Well unless you have been working the other kino angles, or, were already in the friend zone you didn't have a chance, like I said, calibrate. Kino slowly, if after all that she lets you do that, you probably had a chance, sometimes you just have to go for it, she'll stop you if she doesnt want to.

Interesting..
Ryan and M2, do you think it would have worked had they been single?

pumpington - don't girls lie about having boyfriends and crap? I have met multiple girls, and most have told me they have a boyfriend. I have read that that line is bullshit half the time; a defense mechanism. Is it true or no? When they say that to me, I automatically say "so?" And act like it doesn't matter. I guess since I never got with those girls, they were probably weren't lying, but still.

That is a stupid fucking question. Who cares? How could anyone possibly know? Why does it matter?

You didn't get what you wanted that night. Boo hoo, daddy didn't get you the red power ranger. Stop whining like a little girl, be a man, take what worked, think about what you can try next time, and keep doing shit until it DOES work. It's that simple. Crying about what MIGHT have happened is pointless.

Your escalation is fine, girls are obviously attracted to you. Next time, try handling the boyfriend objection by ignoring or diffusing it, and keep ploughing and escalating until they either fuck you, or tell you to fuck off.

Guess what? Some girls will STILL have boyfriends and will tell you to fuck off. Big deal. There are plenty of girls who are single. It's not "failure" to have a girl honestly tell you she's not single, it's only failure to not try.

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