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Ok, Polyamoury, what is it? Have you heard of it? Do you know people who have mentioned it, or are themselves polyamourous? Are you polyamourous? Are you polyamourous and you don't even know it yet? Let's find out!

For years I held a belief in one day meeting someone who would be so amazing, so satisfying to be with and so fulfilling, that I would never want to be with another person ever again. Whenever I was with a girl and I saw her talking to another guy who I worried she might be interested in, I became jealous. It didn't matter if she came home with me, cause she may have only been doing it because she was in a relationship with me and that was what was expected of her in order for me to keep wanting to be with her.

These days, I feel that when a girl I'm in a "relationship" with, lets me know that she's having sex or spending time with other guys (or girls), yet tells me that they TRULY want to still be spending time with me and that they love, or miss having sex with me in the way I am with them, that makes me feel secure and not feel any jealousy at all. I know they're with me because they want to be, not just because I'm the easiest option or cause they said they would be and now they're stuck with me until something terrible enough to make them not want to be there happens. I know I never have to wonder if they're happy with me, or are having fun spending time with me because at any point when they feel it just isn't enjoyable, we tell each other and if it doesn't change, we stop hanging out.

The confidence that this brings is immense; yet it is something that takes most people time to properly integrate into their lives because of the complex emotions and thoughts that can stem from these relationships. In many people these thoughts initially cause problems and identifying with the personality of their Ego and not their own true personality. I highly recommend anyone any everyone listen to Eckhart Tolle's The Power of Now and Lasting Happiness on audiobook (way better than reading it imho) for an incredible awakening experience to the understanding of your own consciousness and why you do what you do and why you believe what you believe. I think I probably got a lot more from it due to having read Introducing NLP, Awaken the Giant Within and years of personal introspection, but I think it's a great place to start and give an understanding of the most powerful thing to allow you to change in the world; what you're doing right NOW.

Many people allow the concepts of having multiple partners to create ideas of what is expected of yourself and them in many ways. Often people create rules to restrict what they are allowed to do and what their partners can do, or any means of trying to establish control over each other and control how you allow yourselves to experience happiness in life. By allowing yourself to understand that fundamentally, you want to be with someone in order to enjoy the happiness that they experience and share your happiness with them, you will realise that anything that doesn't cause you harm in some manner and causes them happiness, can provide you with the pleasurable experience of their happiness. This exact same concept works whether you're in a relationship that you don't engage in sexual activity with anyone aside from that one person, but typically when this belief is embraced situations where sexual enjoyment with another arise and are experienced without any negative feelings on anyone's part.

The definition that I believe is that being Polyamorous means that you can see reason that there are reasons to love anyone and everyone for who they truly are. If someone is sharing that amazing part of them that is worth loving with you and you are sharing that part with them and you both feel love for another on a level that isn't necessarily romantic, but is innately intimate, that doesn't mean you cannot experience similar intimate moments with other people as well and allowing yourself to do so makes you polyamorous. I don't feel that sexual intercourse needs to take place to be polyamorous; if someone doesn't feel desire for anyone except the person they do have sex with, then that doesn't negate the feelings and the beliefs that it is perfectly ok to do and that if they did feel the desire that they would have sex with someone else. Not having sex with anyone at present doesn't make you celibate, although it might, yet it might simply mean that there are no good candidates right now.

Sexuality is an incredibly incredibly complex area of human perception, personality and interactions. I don't think I could write a whole book that would tie up all my thoughts and beliefs on the subject, so I cannot do so fully in this one post, yet I am open to questions, debate and discussion any time!

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my opinion: total bullshit.

but, that is just my opinion.

everything is the new enlightenment nowadays.

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my opinion: total bullshit.

but, that is just my opinion.

everything is the new enlightenment nowadays.
Enlightenment is a state of consciousness, not a particular thought construct or a particular point in time or destination that you can achieve. Being enlightened is something that comes and goes based on your present state of mind and what you are capable of experiencing on an intellectual/emotional level in relation to the world around you and the inner self. In that sense, yes, everything IS potentially enlightenment, you're right!

Enlightenment thus is something that can be achieved in any area of life and sexuality is the area that I specialize in, so I am persistently experiencing states of sexual enlightenment and overcoming boundaries that constrain myself from non-enlightened states of sexuality.

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well, enjoy being part of "the collective".

there is also a very sacred state where two souls are completely, permanently, and intrinsically bonded.

eg - monogamy.

like i said, it is what it is.

i know polyamorous people who are like yay! and i know ones who are like "whoa my god, this is fucked up shit i got myself into"

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I have to say I am a bit interested in your concepts. After learning about social conditioning and social dynamics and the ways to get the pretty girls,.. I've been thinking quite a bit about pick up, life, religion, and basically belief systems.


One day I had a revelation,.. a revelation that maybe we've been socially conditioned to equating sex to love. Most religion tells that sex is only allowed after marriage, movie's have plotlines where anything other than monogamous sex is the devil's work. Basically majority of us believe that if you have sex with anyone other than your partner, you do not love your partner anymore.

So yesh I have to say that I do find the idea of polyamoury tolerable. Love after all is not sex, sex is just a way of love being manifested in a physical form. My girl could be screwing 10 other guys but in the end if she'd kill and die to be with me, I think that is true love,.. :)


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I have to say I am a bit interested in your concepts. After learning about social conditioning and social dynamics and the ways to get the pretty girls,.. I've been thinking quite a bit about pick up, life, religion, and basically belief systems.


One day I had a revelation,.. a revelation that maybe we've been socially conditioned to equating sex to love. Most religion tells that sex is only allowed after marriage, movie's have plotlines where anything other than monogamous sex is the devil's work. Basically majority of us believe that if you have sex with anyone other than your partner, you do not love your partner anymore.

So yesh I have to say that I do find the idea of polyamoury tolerable. Love after all is not sex, sex is just a way of love being manifested in a physical form. My girl could be screwing 10 other guys but in the end if she'd kill and die to be with me, I think that is true love,.. :)
I believe you are on the right path personally. Sex doesn't mean love and love doesn't mean sex, but they can be expressions of each other if that is the desire and intent. When someone loves you enough to be with you, then allowing them to do anything that makes them happy is a form of being loving, as is them wanting the same for you.

Some of the most loving people I know who feel they are with their soul mates are still human beings who realise that there isn't a single person on the planet who can fill every single emotional and interpersonal need they will have for the rest of their lives and thus enjoy spending time with various people who give them different experiences that make them treasure the amazingly deep connection they share with their primary partner.

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if you need to have sex with someone you don't know what love is ...

you can love someone without having sex...i know what you are meaning with universal love and let people go their own way , but in reality this didn't worked for me.

i think you should accept the fact that you don't want your girlfriend to sleep iwht other people ... you always have the chance of STD .. condoms that will rip and other shit. I don't want to run into someone that has fucked my GF without me knowing...that means she has more secrets with someone else instead of me and this doesn't feel intimate at all.

instead of losing your ego accept it ... most of the new age people are so focussed on trying to losetheir ego so they become attached to the idea of losing.

eckhart tolle is just someone who repackaged 3000 year old buddhist teachings, you can learn alot from him but most of his shit is just copied from other people and belief systems... it wasn't a induction. I rather trust mindsystems which don't have a entire commercial circus around it .. you can find the answer in small things.

don't trust anyone who promised enlightement... because if you promise, you think you are enlightened - you already formed an idea or mental construct. you can only feel enlightment....

1. you cannot get enlightment
2. it comes by itself
3. you cannot think about it
4. you can only feel it

people who claim to be enlightened or people who tell other people to share their enlightement are in most cases just people who want other to confirm their enlightment... enlightement is individual - the same mindset could work adverse for other people.

i know where you are coming from... im not against your ideas of concentrating on the now and being in the now... actually i agree with you - .. i just don't agree with the fact of people sleeping with other people. and i even ''think'' that sex grounds us too much in the physical realm.

i agree with mack ... having the spiritual discipline to stay connected with the person you conciously chose to connect with is the most sacred...you cannot reach consistent concious awarenss without discipline , discipline goes for everything...the ego hates discipline ..

sex .. if you want to fuck everyone ( not so because you love them ) because you want that freedom of experience you are just being egocentric... you are attached to your own freedom so much that you want your partner to agree. most polymonogamous i have met are screwed up .. most of them seriously need pschychological help. someone wants more freedom when it comes to sex thus that person will claim and value that mental construct , now that person will communicate it to their partner..

it always a claim and a i agree or don't agree

you also can't express emotions. . because once you form a judgement you already aren't expressing your emotions ,anxiety and fear aren't emotions, they are judgements of what you''think'' you are feeling.
you only experience emotions through experience... it's generated by you and no one else, what you can't communicate is what you really feel.

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if you need to have sex with someone you don't know what love is ...

you can love someone without having sex...i know what you are meaning with universal love and let people go their own way , but in reality this didn't worked for me.

i think you should accept the fact that you don't want your girlfriend to sleep iwht other people ... you always have the chance of STD .. condoms that will rip and other shit. I don't want to run into someone that has fucked my GF without me knowing...that means she has more secrets with someone else instead of me and this doesn't feel intimate at all.

instead of losing your ego accept it ... most of the new age people are so focussed on trying to losetheir ego so they become attached to the idea of losing.

eckhart tolle is just someone who repackaged 3000 year old buddhist teachings, you can learn alot from him but most of his shit is just copied from other people and belief systems... it wasn't a induction. I rather trust mindsystems which don't have a entire commercial circus around it .. you can find the answer in small things.

don't trust anyone who promised enlightement... because if you promise, you think you are enlightened - you already formed an idea or mental construct. you can only feel enlightment....

1. you cannot get enlightment
2. it comes by itself
3. you cannot think about it
4. you can only feel it

people who claim to be enlightened or people who tell other people to share their enlightement are in most cases just people who want other to confirm their enlightment... enlightement is individual - the same mindset could work adverse for other people.

i know where you are coming from... im not against your ideas of concentrating on the now and being in the now... actually i agree with you - .. i just don't agree with the fact of people sleeping with other people. and i even ''think'' that sex grounds us too much in the physical realm.

i agree with mack ... having the spiritual discipline to stay connected with the person you conciously chose to connect with is the most sacred...you cannot reach consistent concious awarenss without discipline , discipline goes for everything...the ego hates discipline ..

sex .. if you want to fuck everyone ( not so because you love them ) because you want that freedom of experience you are just being egocentric... you are attached to your own freedom so much that you want your partner to agree. most polymonogamous i have met are screwed up .. most of them seriously need pschychological help. someone wants more freedom when it comes to sex thus that person will claim and value that mental construct , now that person will communicate it to their partner..

it always a claim and a i agree or don't agree

you also can't express emotions. . because once you form a judgement you already aren't expressing your emotions ,anxiety and fear aren't emotions, they are judgements of what you''think'' you are feeling.
you only experience emotions through experience... it's generated by you and no one else, what you can't communicate is what you really feel.
entirely agree.

not because i'm a prude or against fucking hot women.

but because i sense that my true nature is to want a sacred bond with a woman, in all ways, something that only she and i share.

once that is gone, the relationship is farce.

and yes, that sacred bond has to be her body for me and my body for her, and neither for anyone else.

of course, i'm not intending to come off as moralistic or holier-than-thou. i actually have respect for people who can pull off what rye lee has discussed. i don't look down on them or take some judgmental stance.

my opinion comes from the fact that, at our cores, we feel most attached to a person when exclusive.

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Polyamoyrous relationship is like communism. It looks good on paper, but messed up in practice due to the fact that we are dealing with human idiosyncrasies.

Im guessing you probably dont have a constant mother figure in life which is the reason you are longing to find one. And what you are doing is confusing your need for a family with your need to have a life partner.

Call me a liar?

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well .. we shouldn't make it personal ... ryan is just showing us a theory.

however my gut feeling tells me there are some personal issues... or maybe im totally wrong ! im still interested tho...

ryan

what are the disadvantages of being exclusive ?
what are the disadvantages of polyamoury ?
if you can choose .. what would you choose ? ployamoury ( how the fuck do you spell it lol ? ) or exclusive ?

if you could have a solid honest great exclusive relationship with someone... a real waterproof relationship .. would you do it ? or would you rather have a waterproof great polymonog... (spelling lol ) relationship.

now what are the relationship between those 2 ?

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Polyamory

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single and fucking everyone, or in a relationship and fucking everyone in secret,
this let it be ok for your GF to cheat on you shit sounds shitty


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well .. we shouldn't make it personal ... ryan is just showing us a theory.

however my gut feeling tells me there are some personal issues... or maybe im totally wrong ! im still interested tho...

ryan

what are the disadvantages of being exclusive ?
what are the disadvantages of polyamoury ?
if you can choose .. what would you choose ? ployamoury ( how the fuck do you spell it lol ? ) or exclusive ?

if you could have a solid honest great exclusive relationship with someone... a real waterproof relationship .. would you do it ? or would you rather have a waterproof great polymonog... (spelling lol ) relationship.

now what are the relationship between those 2 ?
You are too nice...

If you are planning on writing a book about it, its best you address all points even on a personal level. If you are not comfortable then thats no problem, i dont want to be a pain body ;D

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Speaking of writing a book about it...

For those of you truly interested in learning about the many emotional intricacies and possibilities of polyamory, there is a very interesting book on the subject called The Ethical Slut, by Dossie Easton and Catherine A. Liszt.

This book opened my mind to the idea of polyamory, or at least to question the ideals of love and sex that we were brought up with. Obviously who we choose to have sex with is extremely personal, so shouldn't how many people we have sex with be just as personal a decision on our part?

My partner and I have been non-monogamous for a little while now. We're still exploring the ins and outs of it, but so far poly lovin' has actually improved our relationship and brought us closer together.

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