I'll post all details I have to make it easier to answer.

2 weeks ago, we went out to a club. We were 4 guys. Usually we split up in "teams" of 2 to pick up chicks. So me and my friend went to open a 2set of HB8 in the dancefloor. Total fail, both of them told us that they have a boyfriend. I answered "Cool you can invite him if you want" but nothing worked. Anyway I wasn't in the mood to work for a girl so I went straight up to another 2 set. This time, hb6-7. Not as hot as the two first. We started making out with them. Then our two others friends went to open the same 2set that told us that they have a boyfriend. They got "rejected" too but they still danced with them. Then one of the girl asked one of our friend what the hell are we doing with the grenades we had. I don't know what happened after that. In our case, we f-closed the hb6 we were making out with.

Our 2 hb8 went back to my friend's place to jump in the pool with them. Nothing happened between them though.

The week after that, my friend invited the 2 hb8 in a party with us. In fact, they didn't have a boyfriend (duh...). In the party, I was able to k-close and #close one of the girl that told me she had a boyfriend (YES!). We were close to f-close, at one point we were alone and she was on top of me in underwears but she told me that she had a bad experience before and she's not a slut. I said that it's ok but we can still have fun. So we continued to try hump and make out. I told her that I want to see her again and she said with a big smile "Me too".

I saw the same chick 4 times now, every single time, we ended up kissing. The thing is every time I was the one who had to work to get it. Like one night we were in a club, she was dancing and I told her "You're not that good dancing alone". She said something I didn't really heard. Then I said "Come dance with me". She said "No". Then I told her as a joke that she broke my heart and she's mean. Anyway, I just put my hands arround her hips and we started to dance, then make out of course.

But like I said, I'm always the one who have to work for it at first. But only at first. After that she's often arround me and she initiate the kissing. I wasn't able to f-close her...I had 3 hard chance to do it, but she always find an excuse.

I may know why. I think it's because she saw me kissing another girl just before we met and she may think that I'm a player, so her bitch shield is really strong. Also, I have a lot of female friends that I know in clubs so I'm always saying hi to another girl but I don't think she's jealouse. Also last night we were kissing (we were alone), and at one point, she stopped and said "It's all you'll get" with a smile. I was life fuck, but I answered like a boss "I don't care, I'm fine like that". That same night, I texted her "Good night sexy, I want to see again".

I already invited her to a real date but she was working that day (It's true though because she invited me to come to her bar, yup she's a barmaid). I didn't invite her since. Should I try again or wait for her to invite me? She's the kind of girl that you actually have to date to f-close, damnit.

So I'm thinking to actually date this chick, she's hot and fun to hang out with. But how to break the idea of me playing her and how to proceed to have date with her? You have to know that I froze her for a few days because I was always the one texting her first. It worked because she started to text me after 2-3 days. Also last night I was doing a lot of push and pull and it seemed to work. But like I said, at first it was hard as fuck to even dance with her, even if I already k-closed her 3 times before that night.

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Interesting read and glad to see you got her after putting in some work. Mad props to you because I see a lot of "new guys" on the forums who want girls and want them fast and easy. This is not what pick up is about, it's about a challenging adventure with a reward in the end. ( OF COURSE this is not your frame, but that's exactly what it is )

On topic: I believe that you need to show/tell her that she's more important to you than other women. For instance the kiss routine where you end up saying. " This kiss was only for you, so don't go around telling everyone I'm SPAM free kisses "
If you know where I'm going too. Even when it's all up in their face that you like them it'll still work wonders if you tell them in a subtile way.

Good luck !

I don't know. It might be that you're reading too much into this situation.

She has not reached that level of comfort yet that she would want to spread her legs for you.

Solution? Achieve that.

You should make her feel safe and desired by you. She should know that she actually does mean something which is not another notch on your bedpost.

Too many men apply the same strategy for a one night stand and for an actual relationship. They fail.

Approach it differently. Give it time, if needed.

If you really, really want to be with this woman, make an effort for it. The day she realizes you're making an effort, you will have won the battle and her.

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Thank you for your time reading my post guys!
Exactly! Strange enough, more she was trying to let me know she's not easy, the more I wanted her.
I like the idea. Definitely I have to try it!
It's what I was thinking. I remember when we were dry humping she told me that she don't want me to tell stories to my friends (after I proposed to go to the bedroom).

How do I make an effort without looking too needy? Should I ask her out again or just wait?

Also my friends told me that she seems to really like me. The way she looks at me when we were dancing, it's like if she's trying to see if I'm real or not.

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Sorry for the double post, but I was thinking texting her today (she didn't text me) something like : "FYI, I'm not a toy that you can have fun with and don't text me after. I have feelings too". What do you think?

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Well, it basically means that you ARE a toy and a NEEDY one at that too.

She's going to feel so uncomfortable after reading that, you have no idea.

Why can't people just send normal openers here? A "Hey. How's it going? " or "Hello there. How are you today?" works well after you've broken the ice with a person.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

Isn't that boring? I understand the idea but I don't see how I can be different from the others guys by texting her "Hey, how are you today?". In a way I find it needy but in the same time it can start a conversation and create more confort.

I think I'll text her tomorrow, I want to wait at least 3 days lol. I'm still not sure though if a simple text will work.

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Listen, if she wants to talk to you, it won't matter what you've sent her.

It's as simple. You could send her an emoticon and she'll reply, if there is interest.

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" You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one. "

Personally? I don't call or text a girl unless there is a real reason to. I want to set up a date, wish her a happy birthday, whatever. I wouldn't suggest a guy ever text a girl just to say "hi."

Ok, so you don't want to feel like you're being toyed with, that's understandable. My first thought is to freeze her out next time you two start getting physical. If she pulls away, you just say ok, then back off. Don't try to say anything clever, and just let your actions speak for you as you put some space between the two of you and do...well i dunno, turn on the tv its really up to you. It works well enough for me. If she says she doesn't want to get played, isnt a slut, etc just say ok.

Chief's outer game guide has a nice line that could help you out as well. The next time you two are out having fun, when the mood strikes ya, ask if she can keep a secret. Odds are she will say yes, and respond by saying something like "that's good to know." When she asks what the secret is, tell her there isn't one and you just wanted to know if she can keep one. It gets the message across that you aren't one to go telling your buddies every time you get laid.

And if you do get lucky, show her the respect to not go into detail here. Seems obvious, but hell, figured I'd add that just to be clear.

I don't know if you got it but my text was supposed to be a joke...-.-

Sorry I wasn't able to text her a simple text like that. I wasn't feeling it. So what I did? Froze her. Today her friend talked to me and at the end of the conversation she told me that I should text the hb8. So I know they talked and the hb told her I didn't text her since. Also she invited me to go out with her and her friend but I already had plans.

Seems to work. I will text her in a few days to ask her out.

Any advices are welcome.

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