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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:01 am 
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I have read 60 years of challenge's articles and it was a great read. I think what he said holds true and would most likely work.

The only thing is, he doesn't mention much about the conversation itself. He says that talking a lot would only worsen your chances. Am I suppose to believe that after the opener, you should directly go for kino, caressing and eye contact, and work on the sexual tension? Sounds like with this method, you should be able to get her ready for sex within the first 3-5 minutes you meet her. And if you can't do it within that time frame, you should move on.

I'm wondering if his method should be tied into another method like Mystery Method or something, with some tweaks to accommodate 60's method. I'm just wondering how the conversation should go.


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I would say yes, you want to mix and match different methods to create your own to work with that is most comfortable to you.

From 60's book "Fearless Relentless Escalation",
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You have less than 3 minutes to get to a moment of mutual caressing. Wait any longer than that and you are in the friend zone or being sized up as a potential boyfriend
His method is all around Fast escalation so you want to get into it as fast as possible, he says that the tension is already there and you want to keep it there and escalate from there.

60 is all about being natural from what i've read so the conversation should go however it feels like it should. You want to try and have her do most of the talking though, you want to be what he calls a "seductive listener"

His definition of Fast escalation:
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Fast escalation means holding seductive eye contact right from the start, moving very close to her quickly, possibly giving her a compliment "you smell good" and holding/caressing her hands all in the first minute


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:19 am 
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Lol thanks for the clarification. I do remember reading that somewhere, but I forgot it at the moment.

Two days ago, I had a really hard time with AA. For nearly 4 hours and different bars (I was alone), I didn't talk to one girl. I kept on fucking mental masturbating for the longest time with every girl I saw.

Then, at this one bar, I finally talked to this one girl. She was unbelievably shy (glasses, skinny, sitting down and she had that nerdy goofy look, but she was cute mind you). I don't know what the fuck I was thinking, but I just went up to her and asked her to dance. She was soooo shy it was actually very funny to watch her. Two of her friends were nearby and they were flirting with some guys, and saw me trying to flirt with her friend. They instantly forgot those guys and came to me to protect her lol. They were mothering her or something, I don't know exactly what happened.

After I saw what was happening I gave up on her and moved on. Afterward, the strong AA I had before was very low. I guess that's what 60 was talking about how you should quickly commit to the method when you walk into a bar so you can quickly get rejected and lose that AA.

I saw one girl getting hit on by a guy, and her drunk friend looked very bored. So I approached her and I don't know what the fuck happened but everything with 60's method clicked in me. I did unbelievable fast escalation and persisted the fuck out of her. I didn't get her, but I tried to figure out what went wrong. I had some mixed feelings about if she was interested in me or not, but I kept it up since it was really fucking late and I didn't see any more chances out there. I think I went overboard on the kino, but I'm not sure. That's why I was wondering if there should have been more of a conversation.

Oh well, sorry for that whole essay. Lol I just wanted to share it with someone.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:22 am 
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The stuff he says about conversation is mainly Listening (seductively).

This doesn't mean no talking at all (in my opinion) Just have open ended questions and contribute like 10% to the conversations. Focus on escalation.


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Lol it's just everything about his method contradicts everything that people are naturally wired to do. It's hard I guess.

He also said teasing, negging, DHV, and all that crap taught in Mystery Method will only lower your chances. So I don't know. Lol I'm just very confused on wtf I should do.


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That's because teasing and negging is breaking rapport.

Rapport isn't a bad thing.

DHV is basically saying . "oh hey, your value is higher than mine so i'll entertain you so that way you'll like me more."

DHV is beta. Qualifying her is Alpha.

Oh and whoever talks is qualifying so yeah. Extra alpha?


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Lol I only used it once and I didn't get the end result I wanted. I should try a few more times before questioning.


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basicly he suggests, build social momentum, find a target, begin escalating immidiately, start with qualifieing her, soon as you reach mutual touching, go for the pull, from the very start you should be creating as much sexual tension as possible without verbalizing that anything sexual is going on that way rejection is less likely to be verbalized, im pretty sure he goes for the hands stateing that they are the easiest to gain a mutual IOM from,

anyways that was how i interpreted it,

for me all game comes down to is,
qualification/isolation,

doesn't really matter what you do, you get those two things, the girl will more then likely fuck you as long as you escalate,


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Should you caress right after you give the handshake? Like:

Me - "Hi, I'm Sybax."
Her - "Hi, I'm a Bitch."
*Handshake*
Me - "Ah, you have very soft hands."
*Soft caress*

I'm thinking this would just creep her out.


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Dude, the motto is risk creepy :S


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Lol, true. I forgot that.


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Don't give up straight away.

Another thing he taught was "Persistance is attractive"

So keep at it. Sixty is a whole new level of game.


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Should you caress right after you give the handshake? Like:

Me - "Hi, I'm Sybax."
Her - "Hi, I'm a Bitch."
*Handshake*
Me - "Ah, you have very soft hands."
*Soft caress*

I'm thinking this would just creep her out.
Go back and read his stuffs again, you took everything he said the wrong way.
Who would go for mutual caress right off the bat, that's not smart.
At the first handshake, just hold eye contact and hold her hands 2-3 longer than usual for her to feel something special. Go into thumb war, cold reading during the convo to make it fun. Then NOW you go for mutual caress.


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Lol thumb war and cold reading wasn't anywhere in 60's stuff. I'm guessing your saying I should add some more before caressing?


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I'm saying you should take his concept and build your own game, don't follow exactly what he said and adjust your style as you go according to the situations and the girls personalities.
In short, learn all the basic, but be creative and flexible.


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