Alright so i have a decent enough grasp on approach and opening to where i feel comfortable to start working on mid game. I have no mid game other than convo, i can have intresting convos with women now and its great and i love doing it. Problem is i don't know how to sexually escalate things in a way to respond to an ioi and deepen the attraction. so I am asking for a explanation of the general theory of midgame, common tools, tips and tricks related to midgame. Kino espcially! I was an introvert most of my life an not used to touching and i feel uncomfortable doing it. what are the beginner kino techniques i can practice on everyone so i can become comfortable with touch? Ex. shoulder brush, handshake, etc... Any tips, books, exercises or websites you can recomend me would great Too.

well for the kino part you might like these posts! ;)

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Kino has to be intuitive. There are little routines, thumb wrestling or whatever, but if you can't naturally touch people, they'll know it. Try going out to a club and touching everyone. Say hi with a touch to the forearm or shoulder.

The great thing about working on your kino, is that it helps your mid-game so much. The girl is more comfortable around you, it's easier to draw her into conspiracy routines, having your arm around someone works as social proof, and you can often just let your touch do the talking. Awkward silences become times to play cute games with each others hands or create sexual tension.

Kino is ESSENTIAL. Practice, practice, practice more. Good luck!

by intuitive do you mean how sexual a touch can be as a certain situation alows or my personal comfort level with the touch?

And I've been praticing on every girl i know and have not messed up or had it taken the wrong way. i have to say i'm surprised at how eaisly a girl will allow you to touch them. btw all i've been using is the shoulder pat, or the finger tap as a attetion grabber or making a small point in a convo.

@beyond pick up - thanks for the info i got a question though. does whispering in a girls ear work even when you are alone together?

By intuitive I mean that when she's ready for you to escalate, the way you're going to do it is through touching her, so it must feel natural for both parties. It's gradually going to feel more natural for you, and if you kino without hesitation, it'll feel natural for her.

To give you some perspective, before I kiss any girl, I need to be perfectly comfortable reaching out my hand for hers, pulling her close to me, and putting my arm around her, all without saying anything. This NEEDS to come from the VERY beginning of a set. By which I mean you need to be touching her within the first 3 minutes, at the LATEST.

Here's a routine I use that I found on here: When I introduce myself to a girl after opening, I say "My name's __" and hold out my hand. She will shake it, and with a smile I say "Handshakes are awkward, can we be friends? Let's hug." You MUST hug her/put your arm around her again within 5-8 minutes after this, or the comfort can be lost.

Alternately, if she tries to hug me and I didn't suggest it, I balk. "You're going full frontal so soon?? I'll let you have a side hug." I then put my arm around her and leave it there as I talk to whoever else happens to be there (I have a side hug story that I generally chain to). You should go for the normal hug very soon after this, and if she comments on it ("I thought you weren't ready for a hug!") reframe and say "Oh my god you're right! I'm definitely not ready, you need to stop seducing me." Escalate kino as you say this, squeeze her tighter or lift her up or, if you're brave and on your game, spank her ass.

That got a little longer and more rambling than I wanted, but that is the information that really helped me put kino into my game.

Hi guys,

First ever post and it seems only appropriate that it is to do with kino. Apart from meeting and getting to know some really cool people, "extreme kino" is always something in the back of my mind when meeting a girl .

So if i'm honest with myself I don't really know any kino game. I guess holding a girls hand whilst doing tests or some DHV, cube etc... is about as far as i normally go/ backing up negs... rubbing away loose make-up, but going WAY over board start rubbing her whole face normally goes down nicely.

But I'd love to hear some more little routines like thumb wars, most of the time i go out I spend my time in noisy clubs, so anything that doesn't involve talking I find really helpful.

All ideas would be great to hear.

Wilheim.

A time ago I read this post about the same topic and some guy suggested to practice on your male friends. This is not as gay as it sounds you can just simply shake their hand, put your hand on their shoulder when you're talking, when in the club you can put your arm around him when you're talking to him etc.. But only do this with your best friends else they'll think you're homosexual. This happens all the time in the clubs without people even noticing it, I for example do this shit all the time and I don't even think about it. I do this naturally and for me kino escalating is second nature since I've been doing it a long time without even being conscious about it.

I don't think you can really practice kino on guys. Kinoing girls is alot more subtle and a caress. while a guys is a bump or a hit. The only use of kinoing guys would be to become more comfortable with reaching out to touch people.

And dude yeah i totally need to learn some kino games like thumb wrestle. all i know is palm reading and i totally bullshit it . I just say yeah your are great for a handjob. Any small kino expierence that worked out well for you please post here.

You won't get into anyone's pants by thumb wrestling them. That sort of trick is VERY situational and will seem forced if you try to cram it into a set. Practice natural kino or you won't make progress.

I completely disagree its a low threatening stepping stone to begining kino with someone straight away and speeding up the socail interaction and leading it more.

Routine

Hi Im zappo ( offer hand)
hey im blahblah (takes hand)
me ( 1234 I declare a thumbwar ...... I win in a matter of seconds)
me your not pretty good at this are you

Boom instant Kino ! sorry for going ott but thumbwars are awesome.

You're absolutely wrong about this. You say you're having issues with kino and this is the easiest way to get over it. Of course you're not going to touch dudes in a sexual way but just in a regular social way. It's so natural but you think it's awkward when it's actually so common. You have to start somewhere.

Maybe so, but the "classic" PUA move is a high five. Girls know this. Excessive high fives are noticed. I see thumb wars in a very similar light. I agree that you should start immediately with non-threatening kino, but I could see a hang on her shoulder as just as effective.

I do think it is appropriate to use a thumb war in any disagreement with a girl.
"I know how we can settle this" (offer hand)
You should cheat to win. She shouldn't be allowed to beat you because you being right in the argument rests on it. You also shouldnt be trying too aggressively to win because you're taking a game too seriously. Best way is to cheat, so that she knows you'll always win regardless.

I'm not opposed to thumb wars, but if you start using them as a substitute for natural kino you're going to need a lot more tricks to escalate kino later in the interaction.

Amen. Never have and never will use it.

these are my thoughts on kino escalation/kino compliance testing,

escalation should be mutual in my opinion, but different girls respond differently to touch then others,

escalation should be thought of in terms of the situation that you are in, not necessarily in terms of physical comfort, some girls will respond negatively to touching, and require more of an emotional escalation, focusing mostly on verbals before an overt physical connection can be made, really smooth escalations would be going in the smallest compliance increments to test the waters of a girls compliance level in order to gauge the rate that escalation could be acceptable, however i have also noticed that escalating too far, past a girls comfort zone can also quickly increase the comfort level but not smoothly, you can even possibly blow it by escalating to far, but at most have to deal with a dirty look, or what are you doing?,

all easily handled with the proper mindset/framing skills,

i like to think of escalation as you have a certain compliance/physical comfort level, you will test to see where the level is then push it further, once you have pushed it, you have led the mutual physical comfort threshold to that level and the girl should remain on that level until you push it further, you do it 1st, it is then ok for her to do it, because it is your fault,

it is good to take a step back from the threshold every time you escalate the physical comfort, leave the girl at that level so she can get comfortable with it and you can be the resistor of the situation, you control the touching, if she is to touchy you resist, creating security in her mind (you are not always the aggressor), the more you do this the more you realize that girls appreciate risk takers, you escalate to fast for her, she might be uncomfortable, but she might in a paradox be also extremely turned on at the same time, when you peck a girl on the mouth with a kiss without permission, at the time she might be thinking WTF DID HE JUST DO THAT, WTF THAT WAS CREEPY HE DIDN'T EVEN ASK, WTF, but at the same time, the next time you go in to make out with her, it is likely the reaction will be something like AHH WTF WHO CARES WE ALREADY KISSED, thus the comfort level is increased and increased,

the threshold is increased through overt kino that is done on purpose, by you,

the comfort of said level will be increased and solidified by incidental touching, just causal physical contact that is not necessary on purpose, comfort just grows and grows and the girl becomes really comfortable with touching you the more you touch her

anyways i probably just walked around in circles on this one, but hope this mental masturbation helps some people get a grasp on the concept if they have 0 grasp so far

Kino is touching, no grabbing.

Use your fingertops to touch gently :0 Women like that