swing lessons wtf????????? As i said i put those examples for what the emotions, and how you want to be look by women and the crown, DO NOT DANCE LIKE THOSE EXAMPLES...

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I think what skills is getting at and I agree, is that one of the most effective ways to escallate kino with a girl in a club is to get your body in direct contact with hers. It's doesn't have to be wild grinding, and it doesn't have to be polite and structured.

The goal is to give the girl a taste of your physicality and sexuality. if the way your body moves and feels to her turns her on, you're basically in. If she is still wondering she is most likely doubting, that's what getting right up to her accomplishes. It paints a picture of how pleasurable you might be to fuck, based on how you move.

I gotta say, skills in on the money with this one. For those who are comfortable enough to get right into it on the dance floor with a hottie, it's definately going to be more effective than those who hover around looking for good "conversation" in a place where the music is so loud you can't have one.

However, if you can't dance for shit, going to a loud club is probably a weak area for you, so stick to what you know. Otherwise, get some dance lessons.

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psych3r bingo! However nobody was born a dancer it is a skill just like any other..

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I didn't mean to actually learn a choreography... I just meant to familiarize myself with partner dancing. I wouldn't know a dip from a twirl! Maybe I should practice the basic salsa or swing moves. You know what I mean... LOLz

paul van dyke that is a waste of time... You know how to poop and lock and you would not know how to dance with a girl come on!

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Sorry guys for the absent on this thread. I was Mia on this forum for some time and didn't realize this post has gotten some interest.


To Paul van

I read from your local meet up that you got mad game but if it's techno then I would have to pass. Not my favorite music and I do prefer the grinding type of music/girls.

What clubs do you frequent in sf? I only really know of ruby sky that plays techno aside from 1015.

I just read the whole thread to see what everyone input was.

So far I agree with skills based on field experience.

From those type of dance i only utilize the spin and the dip. I do however use that very masculine as well as sexual touch on their neck. I don't know where I got it but it goes like this.(it's hard to explain)

When grinding fac to face her v is basically on your leg.
From there I would lead her to lean back a bit but enough that if I lean with her my face would be right on her chest.

Now that it set up I would LIGHTLY put my right hand on her neck (like a one hand choke) and slowly move it down toward her chest but just a it's getting closer towards her chest I would pull up all my fingers/palm except my point finger and drag it in between her chest and lift it up.

Very sensual very masculine and sexual. I do it slow then as soon as I lift my finger back on grinding. Lol


Now from here is another time for a kiss (if I haven't already).
If I want to go for a kiss it's either I kiss when she goes back up or I turn her around and have her turn her head and look at me then kiss.

Obviously this isn't 100% guarantee but I have had some good success with it.

I someone think it's something they want to try go for it and let me know how it went for you.

Keep in mind though that you can't just do this and expect it to be a k close, I mean it's possible but that way I see it so far is you have to keep building sexual tension so it comes to a point that when you go in for a kiss she wants to just keep making out. But ofcourse that's when you have to go against that and pull away before that tension is released.

Add little stuff and it will build up.
Or in short keep escalating and you will e surprise on how far you can go lol.

I'm no expert so please do critique it if you like.


Thanks

Wowow! you are very similar to what i do... i do not go for the neck, i gently barely touch the ear, while i am dancing the v, yes that is the key move, your dominant leg in between her leg doing the different motions that target her pelvis, at this point she will continue, or stop you cause she is uncomfortably turn on, techno, is good to dance, since the more you dance dhv, but for opening wait for another music more conductive to kino, in my book i said to avoid techno club, unless is a club with many rooms, if you build enough sexual tension, she is the one that would want to kiss, when she try to kiss act like you want to kiss but you can't(a lot of sensual teasing), minimum 3 songs before kissing...Possibilities are endless, you can grab everything, if you do it right, to go for the breast put her hands over your hands when you are behind her and little by little go a bit up, see if she stops you, if she does not, go a bit up come back down, and the third time, grab her tetas, make sure is discreet... same with other parts, i usually do not like to finger them in a dance floor, but i do go for tetas, sometimes i joke and say i could not find your nipple, where is it???? i get a chuckle...

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Now that's gold. I actually have applied that before, her hands over mine but I do it when I'm touching her exposed legs inner or outer thigh and usually I would cares it a little bit at a time higher and higher lol. But each time stopping before she feels she has to stop you. In theory by the time she trys to stops you it's to late because your hands is off it already. Works great because by having her hand over mine it gives her a sense that she's doing it an I'm just following hahaha.

I think your reasoning is basically the same or similar to mine. Feel free to correct me if it isn't.

I will definitely try that out though since I'm actually reverse on this I always go from bottom to top lol

Ofcourse there's no logic on why I do it that way I just didn't know a good way to escalate starting from top to bottom. Which works out because when I do go for the top from the v I get zero resistance hahaha

I do exactly the same dude, exactly, i massage very very gently, also i do playing with the clit motions on her tight lol... I swear, also i pull her hair gently while we are making out establishing dominance... also i do the piano massage in her back...

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Ok reporting from last nights clubbing. A NEW DISCOVERY.

Until last night I stand by the "no talking policy"

I been doing that for sometime and I been getting the same result so I decided to changed it up.

keep in mind: In normal game my verbal game is not that good(pretty bad in fact) BUT in a club setting im average only because you really only talk in seconds or maybe a minute or two.

For for HB8 OR LOWER continue on with the No talking policy.

BUT gaming 8+ a little verbal game will be needed.

heres how it basically went down yesterday field report style.

I approached alot of hb7 to 8 just to get my night started. k close one hb 8 and # close a hb7 and a hb8.5 so I was hitting things pretty hard. I say pretty hard because i was only there from 1215 till 2. but the clubs here dies down around 130 so I really only had a little over an hour to game. not to mention i somehow convince a hb9 and an hb9 to dance with me. where usually i get shot down the second i approached them.

so im going talk about the hb 8.5, 9 and the other 9. Im adding the hb8.5 because she is borderline 9.


HB8.5
this one was just outside of the dance floor. I ask her to dance and shot me down and gave me some lame excuse. I then ignore that and told her why did she go to the club and not dance, she then said she doesnt know how. So I said cmon let me show you just follow me. she pointed at her friend and I looked at her friend and gave her a high 5 with a big smile on my face and i said can I borrow your friend, she gave me the "up to her gesture" i then faced my target and i told her your friend said its ok. lol
She still resited but i pulled her anyways.(she was smilling and I was holding her hands the whole time so i went for it. hand test is very useful lol) the first thing she does is backs up and grinds on me from there I gamed her normally.
Now this girl may actually be self conscious about her dancing because she wanted to stop dancing and actually stop a few times. it took a whole song for me to show her that i can lead her and make her feel worry free and just enjoy dancing. she had the move just not the mindset. got her # and split cuz she had to go with her friends. now whats interesting about this girl is i saw her about 3-4 times in the dance floor and she was always by her friends didnt see her with a guy not one time.

hb9
I got a weakness for blondes so when I saw her i couldn't resist and figured shes the perfect practice lol.
I approached her on the side and placed my hand next to her and grabbed it softly. I ask her to dance and straight up shot down. I said "really" and laugh then i said come on lets dance as i said i slowly took 2 steps back and she gave me VERBAL resistance. I didn't even hear what she said lol and as i back up she started grinding on me. dance with her for a song but wasnt able to close her she went back with her friends.

the other hb9
Now this one made me feel like money lol. I came back down from the balcony up top and the dance floor was starting to get empty. when i got to the bottom floor i see 3 of my friends(as well as alot of the dudes on the side) staring at this 4 set dancing and i ask one of my friend whats up with them? he said go for it (i didnt ask but my guess is that they ask and got shot down) so i picked my target this short blonde girl with a killer figure. I approached her and ask her to dance and INSTANT shot down as she LOOKED at her friend. Right when she did this i looked at her friend ignored the no thanks and gave her friend a high 5 and say hi (i think i said ima dance with her friend). i looked at my target and motioned her to dance. she then started grinding on my and she actually caught me off guard because she grinds really hard I almost fell back hahahaha. At this point i felt like every one behind me was prolly wondering what I said to the girls to get her to dance hahaha.


now let me break this down a bit to 2 KEY points for now.
1. VERBAL resistance also means nothing in dance game lol your target will say no for whatever reason but they might actually want to dance.just say something as your motioning her to dance. (but do the hand test.) so basically if she passed the hand test or you can tell shes wants to ALLOW HER to finish her verbal resistance while you lead her.
2. when she looks at her friend direct your attention to her friend and interact with her. NOW KEY POINT IS THIS: in a club its VERY LOUD so for them to hear you, you will be talking mouth to ear. Use this to your advantage. you can say one thing in low voice and she will say what? and you can turn 1 answer to what look like 2 or 3. get it?
example
me:hi
hb:hi
me: can i borrow your friend(low voice)
hb: what?
me: i said can i borrow your friend
hb: well up to her
me: what?(you may have heard her but just say what?)
hb:up to her
me:cool

now play with this and what normally takes 3 back and forth conversation can be turned into a longer one.
To your target it seems like you guys are really interacting and i think this really disarm both your target and the set.


this is only field tested 3 times because the other times my hb8+ target moved in the center of the group when i ask lol now this means NO hahaha or just gave me IOD


with that said im definitely glad I broke through that barrier last night. it may only be one dance now but its a step. I need to calibrate my dance game to fit hb8+.

I know someone on here said that its all a mindset, that i need to stop thinking of them as hotter and such. but I disagree, unless you look dam good(in which case you wont need to be a pua lol) i think 8+ requires different game somehow since in clubs girls pick there guys based on looks. calibration is key.

as always criticizes, break it down, add pointers and add your piece of mind.

Now i am disappointed, HORRIBLE DISPLAY OF GAME! Everything and i mean everything was horrible, i told you no talking, see what happens when you talk you got shut down, no asking girls to dance(needy, afc, supplicating), no can i borrow your friend, (stupid shit), if you are making out and you want to isolate, and the alpha female gets involve, at that point, well i usually do it before it happens, i say i am borrowing her for 5 minutes i promise i will bring her back, don't worry nothing is gonna happen, will be right there and point by the bar or whetever(i never have to do this, but that is what i would do)... Last night i was dancing with and hb 9 doing push pull, my new freaking wing got involve during the push, so since i don't chase started, dancing and making out with her friend, grab her by the hand took her to a couch/bed they have in the club, did my thing(fingering her, sucking tetas etc), i did couple of small talks, negs, no straight answers, but also i try no to talk when you are talking you are not escalating, this was kind of nasty because, after i left the club, one of my clingers saw me and notice blood on my shirt and my pants(i guess she had her period), but my point is YOU DO NOT NEED TO TALK, less is more, the less you talk the better... Early in the night i had a girl, ask me: what is you name? I said Vin Diesel, how old are you? i said i am 69, then i stop dancing i say are you a reporter "what is this with all this question????? do you want my social security number too?, and she said i need to know who am i dancing with, i say no you don't, just dance, i got so annoyed, i pass her to my wing like i don' want her,i want to dance, she wants to talk, and i am freaking guy, imaging and hb..

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First question where in the us do you game?

2nd when I say I ask her to dance I don't mean " hey do you wanna dance?" 
I say "let's go dance."

I use to ask but I learned fast it's better  to just rephrase it lol but it's still a question because the reply is the same. 

And I knew you would be I was too at first I was like I can't believe I'm adding talking to dance game but I've tried no talking already and it works with hb8-.

And as you can see this is not conversation long just exchange interactions. Short enough as I said that it last seconds, a minute or two Max.


In my experience if you go up to an hb9+ they will DENY you unless they are attracted to you enough. In that theory do you think a below average looking guy can game a hb8+?

Girls here seems to be very superficial(in clubs).


Here's what I've tried with hb8+ and no luck.
1. Approach already moving/dancing and motion her to dance.
2. Grab her hands and go for a spin or lead her to dance.
3. I have approach from back(which is a big no no lol) side aswell a the front. 
If front the front I usually would motion her to come to me or extend my hands.
4. And ofcourse the would you like to dance approach.
5. Lightly touch over the shoulder-gambler method.


What's your method that works well with hb8+?


Because so far last night was the most progress I got.

And right now I can't argue with results but it's still in trial mode. As I've only used it 3 times.

But my biggest take away from yesterday is that no is not always mean no lol. Persistence is an important thing that I need to incorporate in my game more.

Here's what I've tried with hb8+ and no luck.
1. Approach already moving/dancing and motion her to dance.
2. Grab her hands and go for a spin or lead her to dance.
3. I have approach from back(which is a big no no lol) side aswell a the front.
If front the front I usually would motion her to come to me or extend my hands.
4. And ofcourse the would you like to dance approach.
5. Lightly touch over the shoulder-gambler method.


1.- motion her to dance, depends on how you motion her to dance, but i would not do that, i would just dance..

2.- do not grab her hands at the opening,unless latin, or latin beats, like shakira, ricky martin, pitbull etc... Grabbing them in other instances may be view as creepy!

3.- do not approach from the back, unless you pass them and you dance/walk backwards 45 degress and get in the back, or unless she is kind of giving you looks and know is you, and she is expecting it...

4.-Do not ever ask girls to dance

5.- i do not like it, gambler method...


I game all girls the same, i can care less about looks, for me, i am the prize, and i am an mpua 10, so i am doing them a favor, if they dance with me, my inner game is crazy strong/ my ego is bigger than Donald Trump lol...My attitude is how dare them reject me, i don't believe it..

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