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Why is this kind of discourse necessary?
It's not necessary but whether certain people see it or not, the fundamental process that makes MM wierd is being repeated here on an even deeper level.
I understand I'm pushing this line very aggressivly almost purely because I am very tired of beating round the bush on this topic, but if you want to discuss a more holistic approach to the subject then PM me, if not, lets keep it on target.
Your claim: Learning "direct game" is a process which is just as weird, if not more so, than learning mystery method, and involves a similar process, even on a deeper level.
If this is what you're arguing, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree quite strongly.
Here are some things that happen when you learn mystery method
1. Learn routines - things to say in certain situations that are the kinds of things high-value, attractive, alpha males would say.
2. Assume she is higher value than you - you have to "neg" her to lower her value, and "DHV" to raise yours
3. You can't telegraph interest until she has give you at least 3 IOIs - you can't tell her you're attracted until you KNOW for sure she's attracted to you, and you have to pretend to be NOT interested in her to begin with using "false disqualifiers"
4. You have to build comfort with her over a period of hours before it's ok to have sex - you have to show you connect with her as a person and can't just have sex with her quickly ("fool's mate")
Here are the problems
(1) Routines are not YOU or a reflection of who you are and what you'd actually say. Girls might be attracted initially, but they'll lose interest relatively quickly when they discover you're not actually like that at all. They are essentially LIES.
=> Direct teaches to be completely honest, and OPEN by explaining why you're talking to her and expressing a sincere interest in her, usually in the form of a compliment
(2) Assuming she's higher value means you're always coming from a position lower down, and trying to one-up her in some competition. What kind of a man assumes he's lower value than her? Aren't you supposed to "be the prize?"
=> Direct teaches that you ARE the prize and she's lower value than you. You come in ASSMING attraction and the frame is "I choose you." She should be so lucky!
(3) Waiting for IOIs is teaching guys to have even LESS balls! Waiting to make sure their advances will be "rejection-proof" is selling guys an idea that CANNOT be true! No approach is rejection-proof. It may protect a guy's ego, but it's not gonna help him. Rather than avoiding rejection at all costs, why not learn how to actually DEAL with it like a man, and not give a shit instead!
=> Direct teaches to OPEN by telling her you're interested. Sure, she may reject you, but you spend a minute finding out, and that enables you to spend more time focusing on the girls who ARE actually interested. The idea of falsely disqualifying, again, is frankly just LYING. How can you respect yourself if you can't even be HONEST with a woman about what you want? What are you so afraid of?
(4) Depending on what you want and your approach, there will be women that are receptive to your approach. If you want casual sex, then it's ok to be clear about that, and there will be plenty of women who are in a club specifically to get laid. To approach them and try and build comfort will simply waste their time, and they'll get bored and find a guy who just wants to shut up and fuck!
– Can you explain how being upfront and honest with your intentions by being direct is AT ALL similar to learning mystery method indirect routines, on ANY level, and how being straightforward with women is "delusional?"
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