NEED EXPERT HELP;AVOIDED FOOL'S MATE BUT WILL IT PAY OFF?



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:55 pm 
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I was in a club on sat night (wasn't out for gaming) and heard my name called, looked around and this hb that I met in a coffee shop around a week before was there & she introduced me to her house mate whom I started to unintentionally get on quite well with. I wasn't even gaming at this point. This worked out well as my wing moved onto the original girl I had gamed.
We then went for a dance and the new hb I liked started to flirt with the DJ and another guy. My plans for a more chilled out night were suddenly thrown out of the window as my pua instincts kicked in, I coolly began to move around opening up sets right where she could see.
After a short time I was interrupted chatting to one of these sets by my friend and the two girls, they said they were leaving and I should come so we left to go to a house party.
After the house party we all shared a taxi and all went back to the hb's house. We all got into bed together and were hugging our hb's. My friend's hb then said she was tired and needed her bed to sleep. To avoid any awkwardness I said that's cool, I'm tired and we should probably go home. My hb then told me that I was staying with her in her room whilst the other hb seemed happy by this so took my friend with her to her room.
In my hb's bed hugging turned to touching and kissing before she told me a few times that we should get some sleep. Each time I rolled away she backed into me and the touching began and the kissing making it hard for me (she noticed) not to go for the -close. I told her that I couldn't keep my hands off her and I could tell she was becoming aroused. She then unzipped her top. God knows how but somehow I managed to prevent a fools mate and stopped the kissing and touching and just hugged her.
She made me a cup of tea in the morning and we chatted a little before being joined by the other two. We stayed for a couple of hours before me and my friend left and I found out he didn't f-close his hb either and we shared a high 5!
Unsure how to play my next move? I friend requested her on fb little under a day ago, she hasn't accepted yet but any feedback would be greatly appreciated on how to move forward as I have a feeling I may have already blown it out because we very nearly had sex...
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so basically, what you're telling us is that, you were close to F that HB, she was up to it, and you turned your back ? And that now you're asking for some feedback on what to do next ?

Just to recap, cuz I'm not sure I got it all correctly ^^

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:52 pm 
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Yeah...I don't quite understand why you didn't pull the proverbial trigger. You were in bed with her, freezing out, and basically coulda nailed her. Were you worried she wouldn't want to see you again? Neither of you got laid, and to be honest that isn't exactly worthy of a high five at the end of the day.


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God knows how but somehow I managed to prevent a fools mate and stopped the kissing and touching and just hugged her.

She made me a cup of tea in the morning and we chatted a little before being joined by the other two. We stayed for a couple of hours before me and my friend left and I found out he didn't f-close his hb either and we shared a high 5!

Huh? You're high fiving because you DIDN'T get laid?? You guys take this PUA stuff way to literally.

Your next move is to rip the "fools mate" chapter out of whatever pickup manual you were reading and throw it in the garbage!


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:32 pm 
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Hey Logyc, yeah that's pretty spot on! My head was telling me to go for it but over the time we were together I found we clicked on a number of things, so guess I listened to my heart and backed off to show her that I liked her and there was also a part of me that actually thought, I actually want to see this HB again!
Guess that kind of answers your question also DJ_Z. As for the high five...we didn't go out to sarge and all in all wasn't a bad night after everything! In the morning it felt anything but awkward and after we left I was of the mind that by backing out of an F-close I may have avoided a Fool's mate. But after having time to reflect I think I probably may have just given off mixed signals to her.
My fear is that I think sometimes you don't necessarily have to F-close to land yourself in a fool's mate, I'm thinking that there is a point you reach where once she has decided she is going to have sex with you then your into fool's mate teritory and the fact I stopped an F-close doesn't matter because we went past the point of her now knowing she would have let it happen! Because of this I'm also fearful she won't want to see me again. Have made no attempt to contact her so any advice on how to play this one would from here would be great guys?
Many thanks for your time!
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Stormfever, you seem to be under the widely held impression that having sex with a girl is somehow disrespectful, it's not. Women love sex and they want to be wanted. When a girl throws herself at you and you reject her, she feels like a fool.

If you want to show a girl you really like her, F her then call her the next day. Chicks dig that!
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Have made no attempt to contact her so any advice on how to play this one would from here would be great guys?
Seriously though, call her ASAP and see if she wants to hang out. At this point she probably thinks you don't like her. She'll be excited to hear from you, I promise.


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Thanks for the feedback ProfessorX! I think your right there and I should get in contact with her asap and I will...Just felt it best to get some ideas off the pua forum first before I go in giving off more mixed signals.
I believe you could well be right also with my succumbing to
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you seem to be under the widely held impression that having sex with a girl is somehow disrespectful, it's not. Women love sex and they want to be wanted.
Although the K-closing and hugging was great fun I can remember vividly the moment we went into fool's mate territory and I put the brakes on! Have definitely learned a lesson here, just hope what happened doesn't make it hard to get a chance to hang out with her again, though I have a feeling it might!
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Wanna learn a lesson? Erase the "fool's mate" idea from your brain. If you don't wanna fuck a girl, that's fine. but stay away from some idea that sleeping with a girl is degrading her.


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I agree with the others. This whole fools mate thing is crap. If you have some kind of value system or morals thing where you do not beleive in having sex with someone outside of a serious relationship so be it.

But don't NOT fuck someone just so you can avoid some issue that isn't there.

Fools mate is making you the fool for disregarding and avoid an activity you both want just because some nitwit in a feather boa, mascara and furry hat coined a stupid term.

We had a term for fools mate situations before Mystery came up with that term. It was called GETTING LAID!!!


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lol avoid fools mate, GO LOOKING FOR IT DON'T AVOID IT


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Good input there DJ_Z and thanks for the great feedback here2play!!
There was plenty food for thought!

After reflecting on your comments I can see where I have made myself a victim of some stupid notions that I've allowed to become hard-wired into my subconscious. I can also see clearly now the way my mind and heart struggled during this situation and I gave little clue to my intentions in the process!
I always believe that you should go with your feeling over what your mind tells you!! It's the kind of philosophy that can avoid regrets and needs no excuses for the responsibilities to have to ones-self.
Will still see how this one pans out and If I get another shot at hanging out with the HB I will make my intentions clear to her!
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I was in a club on sat night (wasn't out for gaming) and heard my name called, looked around and this hb that I met in a coffee shop around a week before was there & she introduced me to her house mate whom I started to unintentionally get on quite well with. I wasn't even gaming at this point. This worked out well as my wing moved onto the original girl I had gamed.
We then went for a dance and the new hb I liked started to flirt with the DJ and another guy. My plans for a more chilled out night were suddenly thrown out of the window as my pua instincts kicked in, I coolly began to move around opening up sets right where she could see.
After a short time I was interrupted chatting to one of these sets by my friend and the two girls, they said they were leaving and I should come so we left to go to a house party.
After the house party we all shared a taxi and all went back to the hb's house. We all got into bed together and were hugging our hb's. My friend's hb then said she was tired and needed her bed to sleep. To avoid any awkwardness I said that's cool, I'm tired and we should probably go home. My hb then told me that I was staying with her in her room whilst the other hb seemed happy by this so took my friend with her to her room.
In my hb's bed hugging turned to touching and kissing before she told me a few times that we should get some sleep. Each time I rolled away she backed into me and the touching began and the kissing making it hard for me (she noticed) not to go for the -close. I told her that I couldn't keep my hands off her and I could tell she was becoming aroused. She then unzipped her top. God knows how but somehow I managed to prevent a fools mate and stopped the kissing and touching and just hugged her.
She made me a cup of tea in the morning and we chatted a little before being joined by the other two. We stayed for a couple of hours before me and my friend left and I found out he didn't f-close his hb either and we shared a high 5!
Unsure how to play my next move? I friend requested her on fb little under a day ago, she hasn't accepted yet but any feedback would be greatly appreciated on how to move forward as I have a feeling I may have already blown it out because we very nearly had sex...
Stormfever
Good God, that was BAD.

I mean, that woman is basically telling you to go all animal on her and what do you do? You HUG her. That's right. You 'hold her close' and all that BS. Seriously? This is why pick-up artists sometimes fail when it comes to Naturals. I would NEVER miss an opportunity like that and so wouldn't 99% on the men on this forum. Even an AFC would know that at that point, it's only going in one direction. But, you.. No, Sir you wanted to avoid a situation which is utterly stupid and should be disregarded.

Also, people generally high five after a victory. If you both closed your targets, you should've! Not for non-closure. SMH.

And there is a big chance you blew it because in that girl's head you'll be associated with cowardly feelings because she offered you a chance on a golden platter and you still did not pull the trigger.

God help you. CALL HER ALREADY.

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What is this fools mate shit?

I play Chess and I can tell you my version applicable to women:

Kiss them, Finger them, Fuck them.

3 Moves and mate!

That's all!


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