learn dancefloor game, no talking involved...but at some point if you want to date or have a girlfriend you need to talk, if they are boring and you are interesting, you do the talking.. Get double your dating by david d, cooky funny..

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3 billable hours!!!!

OK - I can speak to a woman for 3 hours, its just hard when she doesn't contribute much and doesn't really give me much to work with. That's what I want some tips on how to deal with. What type of questions does one ask a girl who spends her days working at McDonalds and "hanging out with friends" the rest of the time?
Obviously "have you read any good books lately" is not the way to go.

Yeah, that actually seems like a good idea, since dancing usually involves a lot of kino anyway. The thing is that I used to be a 300lbs powerlifter, so when I bumped into people on the dance floor....well...they fell. I was like a human wrecking ball when the shit got crowded. I've leaned down to about 230 lbs now, but I'm not much of a dancer, though. The fact that I don't drink at all doesn't help either.

I'm cocky already, in fact I'm outright arrogant. And I do make people laugh all the time (even on purpose, actually), so I might go with that. The challenge is to be cocky funny without being sarcastic. That's difficult, I think.

Talking is not a problem in itself, that's what I do for a living. And talking to female co-workers, secretaries etc. is a breeze. The problem is drunk chicks with low IQ in bars.

Anyways, thanks for the tips.

You do realise that most of the hottest girls would go for a guy with money anyway even if the guy is 70 for example. So if you really don't want to talk much, just wear noticable expensive clothing, let her think she might be able to gold-dig something out of you and should be easy to get her to bed for a night and then tell her that you're not interested- being a nice guy and not like your friend that left a girl in a laundry room.

the first post made me laugh so hard.

to the original poster:

dude, you don't get it.

i've got a decent job, a college education, and huge biceps too.

none of that has ever gotten me any pussy.

what gets you girls is your ability connect with them emotionally.

that stuff helps, but without the emotional grabber, you're doomed.

you've got to make these women BELIEVE that you REALLY CARE about:

- how her day of flipping burgers went
- how upset she is at her loud friend
- how it was so fun shopping at the grocery store

etc. etc. etc.

it's farcical bullshit.

and wtf is wrong with milfs?

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now we are getting somewhere, if your saying the problem is she won't contribute, that is lack of attraction, however if she will contribute but you hate her contribution then that is your problem and my previous posts covered that,

if she is not contributing, you need to get out of your head, stop asking her interview questions about herself and focus on fun, qualifieing happens after the girl likes you as a person cause she thinks your fun/interesting,

try this one night, i allways just wing it with no plan just a general structure that usually goes, FUN/QUALIFY/CLOSE, during this process the only thing that is truely linear is my physical escalations one incrument at a time, make your first goal, to get into a good mood, ask yourself how do i feel at this moment, you want the answer to be HAPPY, if this is not the answer you gave your self, maybe think of something funny in your head and hold that thought like peter pan, or do something self ammusing, or just smile, (when in a bad state i just visualize this asian guy i saw once he was in a wheelchair with a leather football helmet on and obviously had some sevear mental disability, i thought it was hallarious, just a deep evil thought that puts me into state) once you have reached this emotional state, GO OPEN A SET, 1st mindset that i will often sub communicate is IM FUCKING WITH YOU, everything i do is often utterly random, stupid and has no point, i just go and mess with girls, try to put them in the same state i am in (usually joke around tease them etc.) you can make girls laugh and sub communicate this without any routines just by exudeing your state and staying emotionally strong and un-reactive (some sets try to kill your state but if you have a strong frame they will eventually submit) once you have sucked them into your frame and they are in state, qualify, (physical escalation/compliance testing should have allready begun from the start) now, qualifying is what you are attempting to do from the sounds of it, if a girls buying tempature is not allready high, and she isn't in state and likeing you, why the hell would she qualify for you or contribute value to you (allowing you to progress in getting to know her so she can connect with you so you can bang her), when you have not contributed value to her, (speaking in terms of emotional value as in making her feel good), if a girl is qualifying often the next mind frame i adapt is TIME TO GET HORNY BIA BIA, hopefully i have allready done some things in an attempt to handle ASD (often speel off players/sluts unfair doublestandards arguement and intruduce non judgemental frame, talk about relationships but adopt frame of discression, discuss how no such thing as platonic friends just pussys that can't step up, etc. hopefully up until this point if there are friends i have been socially accepted to handle the whole issue of what will my friends think) the physical escalations become less neutral more overt, intent is shown, the frame is flipped sexual and i begin going for close, BUT as i stated earlier the only thing that will actually every be linear is the compliance testing and physical escalations, and this would be indirect (i want to find a girl and screen her for if i like her 1st obviously if i don't i just take her number and next her in an attempt to find a girl i do like, and 2nd im screening for if she likes me but usually this is pretty easy to tell fairly early on useing compliance testing, and watching how she responds to you with body language/verbal reactivity, qalification is just the bow on the present to seal the deal so to speak), if you just want to get laid and do it fast with less talking DIRECT DIRECT DIRECT, and play the numbers

Hey dude, I'm kind of in a similar boat as you. I was an academic, went to a world-class university, and I spent a huge amount of time and effort working, studying, learning, and progressing myself. While most people were out partying, I was solving problems, writing scientific papers, etc. I used to work so hard I went through a BIC pen about once a week. How many people do you know that have ever seen a BIC pen run out of ink?

Even most girls with degrees are pretty dumb. Leave alone the ones that work as waitresses.

I also had a great body from martial arts and weight lifting. After all of that, I go to clubs and see complete airheads. I specifically remember one night when I saw guys take their shirts off and seeing girls throw themselves at these guys, and I remember thinking "wow I have a much better physique than these guys but these girls aren't worth me taking my shirt off for."

But the way I see it, at the end of the day, nobody can tell you what sort of women you should chase. If you want to chase dumb girls with hot bodies, that's your choice. If you want to go after smart girls, that's your choice.

If you want to seduce a dumb girl that you feel is several orders of magnitude below you in intelligence (as I've encountered), just DHV by telling her some interesting things she doesn't know about. This is easy, because she knows nothing. Talk about relationships, animal mating, psychology, etc.

Don't ask her about her career/life goals, because she doesn't have any, or if she does they're too stupid for you to give praise to without having to put on a theatrical display. Don't talk to her about your achievements, because she can't understand or relate to that and it creates a gap between you.

Instead, talk about things that get you both excited. Maybe you both like the same movies? Maybe she has a hobby that you're both interested in. Find out what gets her excited. Ask her specifically, or ask her indirectly, by asking her to tell you when she was happiest in her life, when was the funnest moment in her life, etc. Once you get that out of her, you're already talking to her about something that gets her excited.

Tip: most girls, especially the dumb ones, will say they like Music, dancing, shopping, traveling. Follow up on these, e.g. ask them if they're any good at dancing. Have something to say about each of these.

Example:
Dancing: Did you know dancing helps cure anxiety, depression, sexual dysfunction.. and then you can try to steer the conversation toward the healing abilities of sex and the relation between sex & dancing (HINT: sex is also a antihistamine!)
Music: Oh by the way did you know the singer XYZ? (Tell a story about a singer you met.. I have a true story but feel free to substitute something else.)
Traveling: What's the best place you've been to? Have you been to XYZ? It's amazing, the best thing I've seen in the world... And follow up with something that you've seen in your travels.
Shopping: Tell a story about something that happened to you while you were shopping, or ask her what she likes to shop for, or ask her how many shoes she's bought in the last month.

Think of talking to a dumb girl like talking to a child. You can't try to talk about anything serious, so "what books have you read recently" is not something you would say. Just talk about fun/funny things. This is also why magic tricks work, because they have simple minds and are amazed by simple things.

They also believe in stupid shit like fairies, ghosts, and psychic readings, which is why stuff like palm reading works. But you can also just do cold reading, e.g. tell her you can tell by looking in her eyes that she's a very kind person but likes to stand up for herself at the right time. (Which is BS but every girl will say yes how did you know???)

Also, you can always find out where smart girls go.. and try to pick them up from there.

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the guy has to lead the convo. if the convo is boring it is your FAULT, who cares about intellect when you are picking up, usually nerdy woman are not good looking. You got a change your frame of women are dumb/boring... Get mm, get david dangelo, learn game...

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If you cant be generally interested OR motivated enough to fake interest, then her value is not worth your time (value = looks + personality + what she likes)

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Just trying to meet a 10.

Thanks for the feedback, guys. During the weekend I actually got three phone numbers and a PM from a MILF who said she wanted me to come over and bang her on Tuesday. This was all from working the internet, though. I'm getting pretty decent at getting laid with girls I hook up with on-line, but I guess my frustration stems from the realization that my "honey pot" is about to dry up.

What I've been doing is simply contacting women who are on-line on erotic chat rooms, send them a picture of me with my shirt off with lots of smiley faces behind every sentence (to seem friendly) and ask if they want to get to know me. When they answer, I just wing it until I get their address and phone number.

I know its lame, but I've nailed 15 girls the last 10 months with this technique. But that means that I've now gotten used to getting laid on a regular basis, while developing zero "real life skills", so I guess I have to work on that a bit. Now that I'm running out of "sexually liberated internet girls" to hook up with, I'm getting frustrated.

I'm going on vacation to Eastern Europe next month, though, and so far five girls have shown interest in meeting me. I got most of them to send me their phone numbers too. So I guess my little tantrum/rant was perhaps a bit premature.

Has anyone read the book "Conversation Escalation: Make Small Talk Sexy"?
It seems to relate specifically at my sticking point, but is it any good?

lol what mack said is really important ...

how you connect with them on a emotional level that's because you are not connecting with her on a emotional level ... by the way what do you expect ? does she need to have a IQ of 300 ? do you want to date the female version of stephen hawkings ?

if you fail to make conversations fun and interesting you just are failing just as hard as the boring girl in front of you .. you can just stop blaming others for being boring and be man by taking responsibility for the whole interaction - lead, lead lead ...the other option is to bring your cassetterecorder and play of a tape with conversation material lol ... this way you don't have to talk at all.

P.S you also need a huge triceps
you have no game you have already said it yourself .. LOL ..and insecure talk about who fucked that many girls LOL ... omg ! im almost falling from my chair lol

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There's a difference between Hawkings and someone with average IQ. Average IQ goes a long way.
But that's what I'm asking for tips for - how to lead when the girl has low IQ and doesn't give you anything you can use. I have gotten some tips already, but if you want to contribute instead of bashing, by all means do so.
I've bench pressed 200kgs - I don't think the triceps is the problem.
I didn't say I have "no game", just that I'm used to getting laid without having to develop much game.

Your English sucks a bit, so I find it hard to understand what you were trying to communicate in that last sentence there. Just to make it clear - I have never claimed to have fucked many girls. My number is only 22. Fair enough, but I'm not a PUA.

Well, this was entertaining.

Now, getting to the point.. drop your charade. NO ONE here is fooled. Atleast not those who can look beyond the muscles and kiss-me-I'm-Hot bravado which is all fake.

Women slept with you? Great. Probability wise, no one dies a virgin unless by choice.

Now, be who you are.. don't try to fake the whole bad boy routine, only women who are desperate or stupid or both with spread their legs for you. The real smart ones won't look twice at your face.

The real men never run out of topics. Why? Because every single time the conversation could die down, they put the focus back on the women and women love to talk about themselves, given the chance.

So, instead of searching for some quality which would make you conversation king, talk to her and make her talk about her, will tell you things about her and you don't have to rack your brains more than needed.

Good luck.

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you could use 60s years of challenge but i have this one big question, you say that the girls at your work are cool and etc why dont you date them or date someone of similar status?

I mean i hate 16 to 18 years old girl and avoid dating them (im 22) because they are at the age where are supousse to be idiotic (as i was when i was that age) so i look for women from 21 up who are still idiotic but at least an idiotic i can manage.

so why wont you just date girl more close to your age?

If you just want to bone women, try acting or roleplaying. You can find that imitating interest is quite easy.

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I agree with everyone here who says you need to change your attitude.

Here I'll give you the back story not to start a pissing match but just to show you we're on the same page... 137 IQ, accomplished artist and guitar player, I work in forensics doing CG for crime scene reconstruction which is an incredibly niche field. I also program in over 20 languages. I also have women compare me to famous actors and I'm fit to the point that some of my smarter friends who are PhD students in Math that I play poker with tell me I'm intimidating.

NONE OF THAT MEANS DICK WHEN IT COMES TO GIRLS. NONE OF IT. Drop the narcissism routine today it will get you nowhere in life, period.

Right now as we speak I've got roughly 20 girls talking to me online (I just started this little experiment last week). You know how I'm doing it? It's simple... I finally got sick of dating super intelligent women because I've come to find that they're some of the neediest low-confident and devious women I've ever met, I could share some scary stories. If you stick your dick in crazy, crazy might bite your dick off. I also finally got more interested in emotional intelligence, I'm reading books on the subject, and I'm practicing in a virtual (online... POF/Okcupid) environment to build more conversation skills with women, and to catch clues whenever they're testing me. These guys here on the PUA forum who are vets are geniuses and I respect them in every regard.

One thing I will agree with you on is fuck Mystery and the peacocking, to me personally it communicates DLV to dress like an assclown. That's a matter of subjectivity though and everyone is free to their own opinion, I like to dress with my own style that I find personally attractive because I have a desire to want to look hot enough that women can't resist me. I was laughing my ass off this week at karaoke when this tool showed up in a beret like he was Mutt from Indiana Jones or some shit I started making fun of the guy pretty hard. The amount of DLV out there in bars is crazy.

Anyway (ADHD kicking in lol)... back to the subject at hand, it's not about how long you can maintain a conversation a girl or if you're interested in the content. That's probably a major part of the problem, you're JUDGING women based on content and not emotion, you're already judging them based on where they're at RIGHT NOW in life, just because you feel so high and mighty with your Masters degree that really doesn't mean dick in the grand scheme of things to women unless you're looking for a gold digger. So with the McDonald's girl no I wouldn't offer a neg or condolences to that, I'd ask her how long have you been doing it? Do you enjoy it? What would you rather be doing? Tap into her feelings, find out what it is she wants to be doing. Ok so she hangs out with her friends ask about her friends and show some genuine interest how long have they been friends and what makes them good friends?

Let me just also say that I was in this narcissistic mindset like you for a very long time. It seems like every time I stick my dick in crazy the woman shows her crazy side, and then the breakup happens not too long afterward, and they try and ruin my rep in social situations and I got SO pissed about it because my dating was so limited because I only wanted to accept academically smart women who all notably have Masters degrees 2 had PhDs. I also lacked a lot of confidence in dating honestly because I didn't know where I stood because I lacked social skills and it wasn't until I got better at them that I've had hot women tell me I should go into modeling etc etc. A good friend also told me "Master empathy brother" in an asshole way and it stuck in my mind, I was going so hardcore on my righteous indignation about every little issue that I was failing to show any of my good qualities in a positive light and I was pissing off friends left and right because I wasn't feeling fulfilled socially.

Nowadays I love shooting the shit with women, I find it a fun and interesting challenge to get beyond the "content" and start tapping more into their emotions.

So with that said...

Master empathy brother.

You can do eeeeeet! You can do it, alll niiiiiiight loooooong!

P.S. One last thing when women ask me about my work, I ran into situations before when I'd be straight up about it these women would get intimidated, I even had one chick laugh at me before about it (she was a bartender). So these days I either tell them I'm a male prostitute or a professional ass model, or I really downplay what I do and be modest about it. As much as there is to be said about being an alpha, women also respect when you're really good at something and can stand a bit of humility/modesty about it even when you know you're the best (your vibe will clue them in that you know you're the best if you're doing it right).