If he's doing all those things to you in set he's a bad wingman and a bad friend, I wouldnt sarge with him at all. Ive had wingmen who where naturally louder and more in control of a group of people then I was but we worked as a TEAM to both get laid. He would never interupt a ruitine I was running, he would validate it for me by saying he was there when that happened or something along those lines. If he is doing all those things and you start trying to amog him you will both look like douche bags to who ever your gaming. I promise you, any highly social aware girl will pick up on the fact that you two are competing and you will both look like chumps. There are rules set up for winging a pua and if he cant follow those rules, you shouldnt let him sarge with you period.

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There are 3 type of players, those who make it happen, those who watch it happen, and those who wonder what just happend. Which one are you?

The mindset I try to have is, instead of trying to out alpha or whatever, just be THE alpha. I am kind of the lone wolf type, whereas my older brother is a complete alpha. Just do your thing, if people follow.. cool, if not that's cool too.

Hey guys, I just wanted to thank you, all of you, for your comments.
This is what I'm going to do.


I have a cousin who is THE ALPHA, I mean, the guy gets laid just because he is alpha, he isn't like my friend, he doesn't interrupt, he is polite, but somehow he exudes the alpha vibe in the manner that is unexplainable to me. When he speaks, people listen, when he walks people follow.


In my town, he is the legend, I have to tell you at least one story about him, so here it is:

Imagine this scenario:
Once upon a time when we were hanging out, we got in trouble with some skinheads (they were pretty large fellas), and we started arguing, and HE removes me from them, starts yelling, waving with his skinny arms, and I couldn't believed my fucking eyes. Three skinheads were after his 10 minute long monolog apologizing to him, and then he said a line that I'll never forget.
He told them:"Ok , because you tried to fight with me and my beloved cousin, you are going to make a bunny jump for whole minute", after a little hesitation, and his AMOG persusasion techniques (threats and such) he made three big skinheads imitate bunny jump. I was astonished.


He is not a pua, he is not a gentlemen, he was raised by street, and his father who was quite some troublemmaker. I could keep telling stories about him whole night long, and not finish them (btw he is 19 now). I wanted to see him for quite some time now, but because of the fight in our family, I couldn't reach him.
I will see him this week, and I'll try to spend more time with him from now on, and I'll be posting a detailed report on AMOG-ing skills at the end of the next month.

Sorry for the scrambled text, but I am kind of tired, and my friend is mayrying tomorrow...
Guys, thank you again, I'll talk to you soon...

fuck it you really want to AMOG your friend, this is all you need to do,
step one: BE LOUDER
step two: after everything he says give input, such as OK, RIGHT, COOL, AWESOME, THAT SOUNDS SHITTY etc.
step three: think of every question and command as a hoop, do not answer his questions in the way he wants you to, and never do anything he tells you to do, and constantly throw out hoops for him,
step four:when he makes jokes about you, that dlv's you, validate his response then re-iterate what he is doing and throw a hoop, for e.g. he says ''JUST LIKE WHAT I TAUGHT YOU'' you say YOUR SUCH A GOOD TEACHER, YOU TEACH SO MANY PEOPLE SO MUCH SHIT, TEACH ME A NEW JOKE (the hoop can be anything, but just get him to answer a question that is not about himself or, throw a command at him)
step five (this one is most important): be non reactive, this one comes with alot of time dealing with AMOGS, my friends are all assholes and we AMOG the shit out of each other frequently, eventaully you stop getting pissed off, stop reacting emotionally to insults


also on a side note if he is cutting your threads on a regular basis just cut his thread immidiately and call him out on it, something like HEY! DADDY IS TALKING, if he re-cutts, just say YO WTF, STFU WAIT YOUR TURN, remember rule one, when doing this, also if he clearly has a girls attention over you, just stand infront of him and start talking to her, but seriously five is most important do not even wince at anything he ever says, and try not to tense up or become angry, stay as relaxed as you can, also step four can be replaced with ACCEPT STATEMENT AND EXAGERATE AND THROW HOOP, OR ACCEPT STATEMENT, EXAGERATE, and ignore him (depends on if he is trying to gain your attention, if he is looking for your attention just ignoreing him and cutting him out will DLV him and Raise your value if he begins qualifieing to you, best time to just cut him out but then again this is your friend use your better judgement)

Don't AMOG your wing, why would you try to manipulate your way out, just tell him: "I got this girl fired up dude, this is my set." if he's a good wing, he'll understand.

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Winging with an AMOG teaches you heaps, and it should improve your game out of sight. I winged with a AMOG a while ago and I just basically followed his patterns but still ran my own agenda, also because he was so good at opening sets, I could come in and screw the chick he's not.

Stalin had a strategy when it came to building up his army. He said you don't build an army with your opponent in mind, you just build the best army you can. So just do the best you can when in a set, don't react to his moves.

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Yeah, this helps a lot. Thanks bro, I'll put the technique in good use.... I'll keep you all posted on my development as AMOG ...

I like the Stalin remark, I find it pretty inspiring... Because of my cousin I thought that all women like that dangerous type of guys without realising what was going on behind the scene (why girls actually liked him). So, thank you for your advices, I'll try the ones I liked, but I'll still try to learn AMOG-ing from the best AMOG I've ever seen, and I'll make a big post after I acquire that ability...

Kind of interesting that we're all so concerned here about being bigger and louder than our friends...

Has no one considered the possibility of just letting him run shit? He can't take your self-respect from you. You can only give it to him.

Stop trying to jack off your ego, and just accept why you're cool. If your friend is more "alpha" than you, who gives a shit? You still know you're cool, and you still get chicks.

This is the power of inaction.

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Don't hate, just dominate.

Very good tips in this video bros:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLhEAFk7CA8[/youtube]

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ROLL the MOTHERFUCKING DICE!
STOP AT NOTHING, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
Don't get locked in on one type of style/technique/method - find what works out for you and create your own style of game!

if someone is amoging you like this, the solution is break his hand contact, just act like an idiot and crash into him, once the hand holding is broken, say SORRY ABOUT THAT BUDDY, YOU'LL BE OK RIGHT?, next step stand in front of him and continue AMOGing (closer to girl then he is, that is all jt is doing, keeping closer proximity to control the attention and stay between them don't allow him to get between you and her, body wise)

Usually I AMOG all of my friends, but most of the time, it's seriously not on purpose. It's actually apart of who I am and how I was raised.
However, if I see a friend of mine with a girl, I'd actually leave him alone.
The best advice I can give is to just talk to your friend. If he's your mate he should understand. By AMOGING him you might actually end up worse than before and look like a dick. Remember, you shouldn't be competing with your wing, you guys are a team.
HOWEVER WITH THIS IN MIND, if you seriously want to AMOG him then...
NOTE: I do not condone this behaviour but sometimes...
Ignoring him in a conversation, controlling the conversation threads and excluding him from the group tend to work wonders. Labelling him as 'dude' and subtly signalling to the girls with your eyes that you should leave also work too.

On a side note it actually looks like your winging for him, but you don't' even know it. You say that you begin working on the girl(s) and he comes in and owns the set, that pretty much looks to me like you're line-ing them up and he's knocking them down.

I'd advise you to take use of this information and do the same to him. Walk into his set(s) and pretty much say 'don't be rude introduce me to your friend' then you can take over from there.

BUT STILL, the best you can do is just talk to him. He'll respect you for being honest and upfront and even pay more attention to winging you.
Anyway good luck, hope it works out!

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I get it that you are all trying to minimize the damage, but I want to destroy him. We talked about it, and he still does the same shit all oover again!!
I am trying to AMOG him, but somehow he suceeds in winning the flow of conversation (perhaps I lack of the facial expressions and hand gestures, I am working on it now),so I still have a lot to learn.
Yesterday we were with friends, and he was telling his stories that I have heard million times, I turned to the girl he was speaking to, and I just started speaking, I said:"You look like a girl who knows what she wants and you will get it no matter what, if you don't, well you know you've tried your best in trying to get it"...
So, I llooked at her, and uttered one word and I was just waiting her to turn so that I can continue.
I said:"You..." and when she turned I have cut thread of my friend, and us two hit it off, we started joking, and then later he took the wheel of the convo again...

HAve you got any funny insults I could throw to him?

dude...just stop gaming with him. I'm against dropping friends for the sake of game, but if the guy can't hold back a little bit and has to be the center of attention that isn't alpha, it's childish. Go solo sometimes, go out with other friends, or if it's a big deal for him not to join in just go to the girl and open rather than bringing her to the group. This is starting to be less and less of a game issue and more and more a respect issue. The way he's acting is just kind of selfish. I've had friends like that but they were all mature and intelligent enough to know when to adapt to the situation. I've done the same, I never try to disrupt my buddies game even if it means I keep my mouth shut for 2 minutes and listen.

I would bet money that if you insult him, berate him, anything like that he will get upset. If the dude is as self-centered as this all suggests, his ego will prevent him from seeing the possibility that he is doing anything wrong. I'm not saying drop the guy as a buddy, I hate doing that, but you may need to separate him from your sarging.

Okay if you put it that way then yes, yes I do.
Walk into his set like you normally do and go 'hey man you look tired, what happened yesterday?'
or
'hey dude you look sick, you okay?'
My personal favorite is 'how much sleep did you get last night you look drained?'
(People walk into that one so easily it's not funny)

Or walk in and control the thread like you did before. If he tries to take control of the conversation, pretend you just noticed something about him. Something like 'Hey dude that's a strange shirt, I used to have one of those in high school, they were sooo in back then'

ALL of these should be done in a playful manner, so it doesn't look like you're hating on him. Be careful, if you give off an insulting vibe you'll end up looking pretty beta.

As for insults, it's good to turn around the stuff he says back on him. For e.g. If he shows up with a guy friend or numerous guy friends (not you lol) then you can say 'Hey man i saw you walk in with those guys, no girls ay, what happened?'

If you're exceptionally good you can try to get the girl to notice the stuff, and laugh about it too.

Don't overdo it though, you're amogging not hating, so keep in mind the girl is your main priority and every time the guy steps in, throw him a bone to chew on.

Good luck

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