Just a quick comment. A few years ago I knew this fat(ish) guy in his late 30's that used to pick up heaps, but he used almost zero kino! Hell he F-closed his 21 year old HB7 that I was chasing.

I asked him what his secret was and he told me he follows time-lines, shooting for mini-goals along the course of the pick-up and achieving these within a certain time frame. If you don't achieve these for whatever reason, move on to the next girl. He was also a big advocate of stating sexual intent early.

He ran a huge cocky/funny game and was a one of the best I've seen, but almost zero kino! I think this guy proves you can be missing a vital part of game but still do great, if you work to your strengths.

Anyone else know of a guy who sux at a fundamental principal but still does awesome?

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yep best friend, he didn't even know about kino until a few months ago, he is 22, and so far i believe he has slept with around 40ish girls, he used to model, most of the time girls approach him and he told me his trick is when a girl tells him he is hot or cute, he just invites them to his house and when they are there he will watch a movie and just say, so you wanna make out?, usually the answer is yes and he just proceeds to put his hands down their pants, not solid game IMO but hey w/e works

Haha sounds like your mate has got almost zero game and is trading on his looks and enough confidence to go direct early. Watch a movie and say "wanna make out", haha

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Yes. That's what I'm talking about, this is the shit that we need in Natural game section instead of 'naturals' describing how they opened, DHVed, negged... this stuff is gold, cause this are the underline mechanisms that drive natural game and they describe that you don't need every aspect of 'game' to f-close at the end.

For your inital question I knew a guy who was unattractive / stupid / completly out of fashion, but he got tons of girls, the reason for that was that he was some sort of... you could say gangster (dealing drugs and weapons and shit) so he had respect from everybody and that drew girls in.

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yeah i have a friend who still uses MM and he still manages to pull a few (some times)

Never head of mind fucking? I bet that is what this guy is doing. A lot of girls can be turned on quite easily with just words. I been able to get girls wet with just saying sexual stuff and not touch them once.
Why do you need game when you just use your looks and be aggressive/dominate about it? Majority of girls like it when a guy becomes aggressive/dominate and goes after what he wants. Besides all you need to have sex really with a stranger is physical attraction.