Hi guys,

I've just finished reading double your dating by David Deangelo. Although 60% of the book was stuff I already knew, I still found it a very interesting read. Now I actually have some questions and I'm hoping some of you might give me some answers:

1) Is David Deangelo for real or just a fraud? I've seen a lot of negative comments on the internet. Has anyone succesfully field tested this stuff? Are there any chapters in the book that are total BS?

2) The one thing that I found to be quite strange was the fact that he would drop the word friend a lot. Isn't that a path straight to the friend zone?

3) Where do I go from here? Any other books you guys reccomend? I'm doing OK with girls but as Deangelo stated: you always have to self-improve and work towards a next level.

I myself have read that book too, and found it pretty useless. There was not much to learn in there, like you said, as it's all basic common courtesy kind of stuff. As for your questions,

1- When you field test these things, you shouldn't just get all of your information from one source. By that, I mean read the good parts in this book, and take what you need that will ultimately suit you. It can work 100% for one person, and be a total bunch of crap for another person. Each to their own.

2- Using the word friend quite a bit does not necessarily lead to the friend zone. It depends on the location (I'm guessing here that it's a club environment) and how long you've known the girl (first time I presume). This shouldn't land you in the friend zone, but it all depends on how well you play your game.

3- Where you go from here is up to you. There is heaps of material out there, it just depends on what will suit you and what won't. If you want my advice, I would personally check out some of 60 Years of Challenge's material. It's got some great stuff, but it's not for everyone. It could be useful to be familiar with Mystery Method, as it gets you used to all the terms you come across in the pickup community, however as many people say, this method has major flaws. And make sure to read some of the posts on this forum, the PUA Lounge in particular, as the 'general questions' section is turning more into a "high-school help me get laid" section. Good luck on your journey, let us know how you go.

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Grow a pair.

it doesn't matter, all this friend zone shit is only the result of no attraction, doesn't matter how you frame it, if your congruently non sexual, you will get friend zoned, but can get out of the friend zone, if you are not attractive to her, you will get friend zoned no matter what you do, and will not be able to get out, think of it like this, girls are guys that can not be the initiator they think they must be the resistor, if they find a guy, find him attractive, they will want to be around him, in the hopes that he initiates and escalates so they can resist, if over a long period of time they realize this guy is either low interest or a complete pussy and will not initiate/escalate they deem you a friend, but since they find you attractive, you can get out of the friend zone, by either 1) escalating and realizeing friendship was a false barrier, 2) becoming noticeably more sexual around her thus begining 1), or 3) game other girls around her and when she becomes jelous and you notice give her the i never noticed you were into me and start escalating on her,

now if you were friend zoned because she finds you un-attractive then you are fucked plain and simple only thing you can really do is get more social proof and freeze out, (start working out more, get nicer clothes, make more money, get more friends/ girls into you, raise status, get nicer haircut etc.) either way saying the word friend really means nothing unless it is her saying it, i often open with YOU LIKE DOUCHEBAGS?, WELL I AM ONE, WANNA BE MY FRIEND?

Never read double your dating, but DeAngelo's Cocky comedy stuff is great. I'd suggest getting it.

my opinion is that david deangelo is the most integer person in this whole industry ... what he tries to share with you works on long term. i like ''on being a man'' ... the other one called '' man training'' is amazing it really helped me.

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Thanks for some great reply's guys. Gave me some new idea's and gonna use some of the stuff you guys reccommended.

On a side note (don't want to start another thread):

I often say: 'You can feel the sexual tension between us, you can't deny it' (In a fun kind of way). Is this a good thing or a bad thing? I used to think it upped the sexual tension but after some reading I'm starting to second guess it. Any idea's?