I know there are heaps of posts on this already , but I honestly think that the game movie will absolutely ruin the community. I cant think of anything good that will come of it.

I think that Neil Strauss should have never sold the rights for the game or even thought of it.

Whats your honest opinion on what will happen to the community or just your thoughts on it?

No i dont because fif you read "The Game" it is pretty much only a story about him and his journey to becoming a PUA. That being said i am pretty sure all it is going to be is a movie like "Girlfriends of Christmas Past" this movie was all about how this guy was a PUA and later on realized he truelly loved his childhood sweetheart.

That is exactly what i see this movie being, a Guy that is an AFC going to a couple of as we like to call "Bootcamps" and learning how to better his life. In the end he will find this beautiful woman that he will fall in love with and have to make a choice between her or the Game.

That is pretty much how these movies go these days, "The Game" doesnt reveal shit about how to truelly pick up women. Remeber the movie "The Pick-Up Artist" it didnt ruin the community, and neither will this.

Nice imput man , but movies always follow that cliche pattern where he ends up finding his (true love). -

But when the game movie is released they want it to make lots of money in the box office.

So one of the ways to make somthing get alot of attention is to make it the complete opposite of that cliche pattern.

I can see your point on how it wont reveal alot of tactics of PUA , but it will reveal the bacics of mystery method = the bacics of love systems = what I and alot of us use.

But more importantly..
It will reveal the community itself. So after millions of women see the movie and tell there friends and there friends tell there friends , that is millions more women that know that there is a PUA community , and i would rather not have that happen.

And there will be millions of guys who will tallk about it , but they wont just tallk they will sign up to bootcamps buy products and e-books.

So then there will be a shit load of guys OVERUSING material on girls that already know what there doing.
So i really think it will be bad for us as you can see LOL.

Yeah this sounds like a horrible idea. I think the most damaging part will be kino. It's not hard to come up with new negs and routines but you can't replace kino.

This movie will turn PUAs and PLAYERS into CHODES and AFCs.

Even worse than AFCs and CHODES because instead of the looser who gets rejected , its the lame pickup guy who gets rejected...

Ok guys what the fuck. They were talking about this thing like 2 years ago, it's not gonna happen. Oh shit you guys it's gonna expose us for frauds who don't know shit about women and use tricks to get them into bed!! Oh noooo. If you use opinion openers (phony excuses), DHV stories (bragging behind false modesty) and cold reading (pretentious & try-hard attempts to look "deep") to get laid then you pretty much deserve it. If anything this would do you guys a favour cos then you wouldn't be wasting months and even years perfecting a hugely flawed (if not useless) craft. I know everybody has to start somewhere but MM is pure ego wank and is very damaging to your attitude in the long run - and since your attitude is your biggest asset, that's bad news.

I don't know anyone who has actually gotten laid consistently using MM; most guys are scared shitless to even approach and when they do, they end up in a big loop trying to kiss this (usually below average looking) girl when they shoulda been talking to a different one over an hour ago. The method is structured in such a way that you don't have a clue if she's into you or not. It focuses so much on being "alpha" and entertaining and unique that guys lose track of what they're even talking to her for in the first place. And the longer they talk, the longer they think they're winning... so they get caught in an endless loop trying to escalate - that is, as long as the "quit while you're ahead" ego shield doesn't kick in and stop them from escalating to start with. Guys think that a girl didn't kiss them because they didn't build enough comfort or rapport or some shit - so they do more routines and kino tricks and try again 10 minutes later when they shoulda just taken her somewhere more private in the first place. They also refuse to believe that some girls just aren't into them and are only standing there to be polite. After all, they're enjoying the attention. Try telling a MM guy that though, it's like trying to convert a hardcore christian. You're better realising the truth and canning the ego before you let that shit get hold of you cos MM will genuinely ruin any semblance of game you have. You can be indirect, sure, sometimes it's natural and it makes sense - but 9 times outta 10 it's not necessary and when it is, the MM structure is the weakest sauce on the planet.

The guys who do get laid with MM style game, it's not very often... and the times I have seen it work, the girls were thick as shit. I can't see any upsides apart from giving guys a slight kick up the ass with something to approach with... but on that note, it's far too complex and guys tend to overthink things, which can make approaching even harder. Or they trip themselves up cos they're analysing so much instead of actually listening to the girl. They're just talking *at* the girl and scanning for these "IOI" things. Terrible. MM focuses way too much on what you're doing with your mouth and body and not enough on mindset, which is the truly important stuff. You'll overthink things so much that it'll render everything you're doing with your mouth and body language useless anyway, so yeah. Way to go, mystery method.

What were we talking about again? Oh yeah. The movie isn't gonna happen and if it does, it's gonna bomb. It'll be just another chick flick, and the only "game" it'll kill will be mystery method. Which is a good thing.

Ya but its in production already , and whats the alternative to having a method for guys to use?

Some guys have no idea how to tallk to women , that is why the mystery method is so popular.

That is why the PUA community is here.

So i just cant see any good in it.

I just really dont want the community we have now to get fucked up , hahaha.

I don't think mystery knows how to talk to women either - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuceTz9gZRQ

Either that or he just really sucks at taking his own advice. This video is funny at first, cos he's BSing about why he didn't approach... but then it becomes very sad, almost cringeworthy. He thinks he needs to "build social proof" before he can talk to the ones he wants, so he sits with some girl at the opposite side of the bar where they can't even see him, and he bores the poor girl to death with the worst kind of small talk imaginable. He's clearly into her but he just fumbles and talks about nonsense, then her friends arrive. The other girls get bored and walk off, he's left with the girl and the guy... and he just keeps prattling on about BS that neither of them care about, he's not being entertaining in the least. Then he fumbles awkwardly repeating the same shit over and over again, and gets defensive when the guy spots the camera. This guy has zero confidence whatsoever, he doesn't believe in himself so why should anyone else?

I would have asked him, so is this your gf? He can't lie, so if he said no then I'd just tell him to look after her cos I like her... then I'd move along, give her a sly smile and catch her by herself again later. Then again I wouldn't have let myself get caught in that situation cos I don't stand around talking about BS for 10 minutes before even trying to make a move. Jesus mystery, grow a pair. His small talk wasn't even interesting, all he was talking about were his friends who were supposedly "over there"... and he actually talks them down at first referring to them as "lovable losers who gravitated towards this shiny new object"... ok seriously. The guy is a megalomaniac. He even referred to himself as the "tribal leader" later on. Who the hell talks that way about themselves and says shit like that about their friends? Mystery does, apparently.

God complex aside, the whole conversation is so awkward and forced, not to mention one sided... you can tell he's trying way too hard to think of shit to say. He started off talking his friends down but has a sudden change of heart and says they're good people, good people, good people... yeah we get it. Then he tries to sound cool by talking about flying all over the world and that he lived in hollywood/vegas... it's a pathetic attempt to try and impress them, they're clearly not the least bit interested and you can see him choking cos he just doesn't know how to talk about shit like a normal person. And he doesn't know how to take a hint and walk away either. I feel bad for the guy, he's a nervous wreck over-compensating with a big furry hat. Did you notice all the girls coming over to mention his hat by the way? Peacocking fuck yeah.

Look, if guys genuinely have no social skills and can't talk to people at all, then mystery isn't gonna help. He wrote the damn thing and look at the state of him... he can't hold any conversation for more than 5 minutes, let alone an interesting one. We're not robots, life isn't scripted, and people don't just behave the way you want them to by saying little phrases and dropping lines that "demonstrate value". People with zero social skills need to work on that as a whole instead of focusing solely on women, as if that'll make everything better. As for guys who do know how to talk like a human being and have some fun, they don't need this crap. They just need help saying what they really wanna say deep down. You can say the first crap that comes into your head, as long as you let them know what you want and aren't a complete imbecile about it then if she likes you it's pretty much sorted.

Anyone who wants to chime in with the generic stuff about having to build comfort and attraction first, please be seated as mystery clearly did an excellent demonstration in that video . The saddest thing is that the girl who stayed with him at first probably was into him - but he killed it cos he just babbled about crap instead of saying what he really wanted to say. You're beautiful, I love the way that dress sits on you, it looks so good I'd feel bad having to take it off... you should get back to your friends cos otherwise I'm gonna steal you... etc etc. It's easy. Girls aren't offended by that stuff. Guys just think they are, that's why they try to fly under the radar and "play it cool". Oooooh I'm so disinterested. There's a big difference between having passive interest and pretending to be flat out not interested to try and play her. They play that game much better than we do, I can't believe people like mystery actually teach this crap. They're not stupid, when a guy approaches a girl in a bar or stops her as she's walking past you think she doesn't know he likes her? Come on.

Seriously, mystery says he didn't open those 2 girls cos the other one interrupted? Bullshit, he was scared to approach, then when the other girl joined them he jumped on it. It's the perfect combination, he gets to use some social dynamics mumbo jumbo and sound like an expert, and people think "wow he dodged a bullet there!!" instead of saying "hold on a minute... mystery just pussied out and is making excuses, I want my money back". Seriously, how desperate is that... "AH HA!!! External interrupt, that would have lowered my value if I'd have approached because you need to be in set for 3 minutes to establish value!" Give it a rest mate, nobody is buying it. Am I supposed to believe that the king of the neg couldn't even think of "does she always interrupt like this?". Gimme a break. That's a very basic situation, any chump could figure that out. He pussied out, his "excuse" was based on a what-if, a what-if that he could have handled very easily. He had no excuse. Lame lame lame. Even if the "external interrupt" was a genuine reason, why didn't he just go and talk to them after the 3rd girl settled in? Oh right, cos he had to "build social proof" first. So um... why was he making excuses for not approaching them when he knew he had to do that first anyway? Mickey mouse is less confused than this guy.

This is what happens when you base your interactions on scripts and social theories rather than your true feelings and thoughts, your instinct, and testicles. He was shitting himself out there, he coudn't handle the slightest challenge, and we're supposed to believe that he's been doing this for years and is one of the foremost experts on the subject? I went out 2 or 3 weekends trying to talk to girls before I said to hell with it and started saying whatever the hell I felt like, then I gradually figured out the dos and don'ts for myself over a few months. There is no way this guy went out every night for years and came up with this system, it's horse shit. He probably sat there in his room dreaming up theories based on psychology and social rules that he read online. It can't have come from personal experience, it just can't. Anyone who has gone out there and done their own thing seems to have come to the same conclusions that I have. He's a nutjob.

Okay I see your hate for mystery LOL.

But what about normal people who use canned lines ?

Whenever I show people footage and interviews of mystery I tell them that he is the extreme of this stuff and not all PUAs are like him.

Not all PUAs are like mystery , like the instructor's at Love Systems.

They teach a more normal version of the mystery method , and when they go infield they arent boring or weird.
Because ive been to a Love Systems bootcamp and ive seen the results , with my own eyes not a vid on youtube.

Im not being a canned line or Love Systems fan boy im just saying that canned lines help guys out alot. And I dont want all of that to get fucked up by some random movie made by people who dont care and just want to make money.

Mystery founded the community through mystery method. It is the first time people have anaylyzed male female interaction and separated it into several understandable theories where a guy with limited social skills could expand upon. Mystery method is extremely ingenuine but what is taught in mm provides for some good basic understanding of attraction.

Einstein only laid out the equation for energy conversion but people around the world several centuries later still use his theory of e=mc2 to travel to outer space. Einstein himself would have had no idea how to do that, but he was the revolutionary mind who laid out the ground work in order for the generations after him to improve quality of life.

It is true Mystery's routines are outdated compared to the current community but he was the one who initiated the growth and proliferation of the community.

But personally speaking, Mystery is one weird f*****. Most innovators are usually weird because they innovate, the very word innovate means to venture outside the norms. His personality does seem very ingenuine and forced. His laughs do seem fake, and he does seem way too self conscious.

Btw the community is already ruined. There is already so much publicity on talk shows, tv series, etc. Everybody knows all about it already. This movie does seem like its going to be a chick flick.

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I todaly agree.

I dont see why the community is exposed in the media so much and made out to be some sinister evil thing.

Just as an experement type in to google - how to make a guy want you.

Girls give out advice too!!! But that isent on the news is it?????!!!

But this movie is like ....... the worst thing that can happen to the community.

Instead of people watching the news and not beliving that there is a pick up artist community , they will see what happens , and they will see the results.

And they will get the gist of what we use and will be aware of what were doing if we try to pick them up.

Our best openers will turn into the - can i buy you a drink , or whats your sign of our time.

Just giving my take on this.

I completely disagree with turning the seduction community into a movie. It's just another example of someone (Strauss) trying to cash in after most likely blowing all of his money he made from his bestseller books.

However. Some of the guys on this place need to chill out. This doesn't mean that we're all "exposed" and everything now, this just means, that the canned material, or indirect game may be completely useless. You're forgetting about direct game, confidence, body language, living in the moment, the women who probably know but just want to get fucked, the women who won't watch this movie because they're too busy going shopping, women who won't watch this because Steven Spielburg didn't produce this... Hey I could go on. Not every single woman on Planet Earth will watch this movie, and catch us out on this. If you play your game right, there's no need for them too. I doubt anyone's going to notice any reactions at all.

Actually, now that I think about it, when exactly is this movie coming out? I'm going to start a new thread when its out, asking if anyone's noticed any changes. It should make for a good read.

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