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PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:01 pm 
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but if a 40 year old guy asks me about how to approach chicks then he's not being a mature man.

it should be the other way around .. im 23 and those 40 year olds should learn me all their treasured knowledge but instead im encountering 40 year old chodes who are trying to impress 18 year old woman with PUA skills and who need advice.... don't you agree it's really a headshaker ?


I'm 47. when i was first starting to interact with women, Mystery wasn't even born yet. Al Gore hadn't invented the internet. The only video game that nerds played with was a game called PONG that played ping pong on your tv and there was no term of pick up artist.

My buddies and I ran around in the friendzone with women. We bought them drinks, we brought them flowers and gifts and we took them out on dates. If we found out some guy had a SNL from some gal she was immediatly labeled a slut and her chances of dating anyone legitimately from that social group was nil.

But somehow even though we did everything completely wrong by today's standards we all still got dates, had girlfriends, got layed and yes sometimes even SNLs and multiple FWBs.

The reason some 40 year old find their way into the PUA community is back in those days it was the norm to actually date girls and have girlfriends and LTRs. Many of us are married or had been married for a long time and have been off the dating market for many years if not actually decades.

People used to use Apple 2 computers back then too and did quite well with them but the world is a different place now and there is a lot more information out there and information is often delivered in a more algorythmic fashion now than it used to be.

Back in the day we delt with approach anxiety, bitch shields, C&R, escalation, LMR, ASD etc etc etc and some how we all learned to muddle through it. Even though I delt with those things over the years noone had ever taught me about them or shared their experiences or told us in an algorythmic format on how to deal with them.

That is what has helped me the most from the PUA community. I figured out how to deal with those things over time in my youth but if someone could have explained it and showed how to deal with it, things would have been a lot more efficient.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:08 am 
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notice the : '' and you care about it ''... getting the look isn't the problem , creating mental illusions from your insecurities or limiting beliefs is - again it's something immature to care what strangers think of you.
Sorry you are right i didnt see the "and you care about it" part when i answer :oops:
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i dont get your point, why is bad a 40 year old ask you advice?
ok YOU are good with women, some men are not, some men want to do something about it, some men develop social skill some dont. Maybe that 40 year old guy dont know about women but beats you in lets say enginering.
Being older is not a sign of being good at everything.
it's not about memorizing knowledge and become good at it like remembering latin names for muscles and so forth....im talking about being a mature men, it's not only a common process but also a very individual process since everyone has a variety of personality. Actually knowledge is the problem... men are designed to go after woman and somehow some people create limiting beliefs which are totally immature to repress their true nature....

if you are 40 years old i expect you to be a mature men without any negative self images... it's about controlling your emotions in a positive way and i see too many older people failing at it. Not having control over your emotions is just a immature aspect ... it's boyish behaviour. some people suffered developmental arrest when they are 15 and now they are 40 and still perform the same behaviour without any awareness of the consequences. do i expect people to posses crazy mathematical skills .. ? no .... do i expect a 40 year old man to have emotional mature behaviour ? yes i do.
So your problem is not about people asking for help but about people not realizing that the magic pill doesnt exist?
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that's the whole point .. there are no people who aren't social ... your nature is to be social because that is how humans are evolved - it's something natural and it's proven by science. Every guy wants to have a girlfriend or at least has the natural urge to have one. They aren't social because they think they aren't social - they are repressing their whole human aspect.
Emotions and Nature have to be aligned otherwise you will create your own issues.
I disagree in part, is true that we are naturally social animal but some of us lack the knowledge of "how" to be lets say socially aceptable (for a lack of a better word)
Example: lets say 4 or 5 years ago, i was a socially retarded person and i though that the way to have a girlfriend was to ask a girl out and tell her that "i like her" (not at the same time) as of course that didnt take me anywhere because latter i learn how one is supouse to do it.
Sometimes is not so much about limiting belief but more about "how one is supouse to express oneself socially"

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now im social because im aligned with my nature - i don't have to feel any negative thoughts or excuses about being social. Not being social is learned behaviour .. being social is a natural thing.
so my whole point is .. everyone is social , they are just building their own glass walls, accept who you are period.
that the thing i ask you to expand, you say that you are social because you are aligned with my nature but what exactly that means? You mean you dont suffer from social inihbitions? or that you dont feel pressure in approaching?

Lets say you are a guy who spent great part of your day watching internet crap (youtube, funny videos etc) and you go to a bar full of metalheads were everyone talks about metal or whatever and you dont know a thing about the subject. So your nature is gonna bring you the knowledge to be social arround them? This an example of what i mean that just feeling good (wich is a huge part) is not always enough
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maybe i communicated this the wrong way ... if you are in touch with your nature and emotions getting good with woman will handle itself , i've seen guys who didn't knew anything about pua , they were just in touch with themselfs - spiritualy , fincancially and emotionally and were solid confident people without being assholes. they were good with woman naturally .. guess what everyone is good with woman naturally - the question is why are you repressing that ? every guy who can't talk with woman or feels emotional blocks when doing so has some immature aspects in his boundaries. what is the difference between communicating with woman anyway .. men are woman are both human.
see the problem with this is what you consider being in touch with one self spiritually, financially and emotionally? i mean i guess the first and last mean having found religion and being emotionally mature but financially? It means being rich? or it means being happy with your carreer? if a person preffers to have a medium job because he preffers less pressure and more free time, does that make him "in touch with himself financially"? so money is fundamental to have women?


This is like the "change your lifetyle" or "get better physically" advices that pua books gave. They are good but flawed. If a tell a fat man that in order to have women he has first to get in shape, hes no gonna do it. Hes gonna start but he gonna fell hes not making any significant progress. And that is saying something relatively attainable, grab a "noob" and tell him that in order to be good with women he has to be one with his nature and hes gonna look at you like :?
Thing is like you say a total focus on canned material or doubt every single thing you do is not the answer either but lets face it, if for getting women i have to attain inner peace is very near impossible.
As changing your lifestyly/getting better physically reaching the natural state or whatever should be something you do on the side while applying the routines and stuff. The first in the long term and the other on the short term.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:50 pm 
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hako...

we still do not understand eachother on some points...im going to make a second post very soon , that will go more in depth in a raw fashion.
- more the ''how '' like kasabi pointed out.

from your questions i can see you are asking me to explain and specify more, my next post will be more easy to understand. ( il post the link on this thread as well ).

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:21 pm 
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hako...

we still do not understand eachother on some points...im going to make a second post very soon , that will go more in depth in a raw fashion.
- more the ''how '' like kasabi pointed out.

from your questions i can see you are asking me to explain and specify more, my next post will be more easy to understand. ( il post the link on this thread as well ).
looking foward to read it :)


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experiencing-emotions-vt96363.html

maybe telling about how i feel explains some things

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