Hi all,

I've been aware of PUA's and techniques etc for a while now, but never really taken the step of devoting myself to the scene. That said, I've been single for a good few years now so am beginning to realise I need to take some life changing steps.

The main issue I've had previously in getting involved is the sheer volume of information out there in the public domain. I know that I learn best in a structured environment- learning, challenging and thoroughly understanding theories before trying them out in the field, then evaluating practical experience with theorized outcomes. Kind of like the science experiments you did at school!!

You might say I've not been looking hard enough, but I haven't, as of yet, found anything like this.

My main concern is that I start trying to be C&F or some other method, not knowing if I'm doing it right, then getting frustrated when I don't get the results because I'm doing something wrong and I don't know what.

I like the idea of Mystery's method because of it's structure, but does it still have relevance today? After I do the newbie mission I was then going to go onto practicing A1, then A2, A3 etc. Which I think would suit me well.

Basically, I'm looking for some advice from some of the more experienced people on here on how to start out given how I learn best? I'm aware of the newbie mission and will not be doing anything until I'm comfortable doing that...

Thanks in advance

My best advice for you is soak up as much information as you can if your not a c/f guy then try some of gamblers stuff watch his stealth attraction video which ill link

Try 60 years of challenge as well he explains micro escaltaion very well just click on all four of the MPUA's at the top of the site find which one fits you and look into him


Stealth Attraction: stealth-attraction-entire-disk-2-vt60864.html


60 years of challenge: 60-years-of-challenge-vt74099.html

haha, have been active here for a while, I never knew you could click on on of the MPUA's

In the beginning you start reading a lot: you read MM (I started with this), then 60 years (good for inner game). But still there is a difference between theory and practise.

You have to find your own way, based on several theories. You have to 'cherry pick' the stuff from those theories that work for you. And most important, you have to put this in practise.

In practise you have to calibrate ('feel the situation/girl'), what to to or what not to do. This takes time.

My own experience? still i experience AA, but I approach girls (thanks to 60 years). And when I approach them, I know how to handle the conversation (thanks to MM). Still i find it difficult to number or to kiss-close them. But that is ok, i just started Everything is going to be alright !

OK for starters you are not going to be comfortable with any of this because you are a geeky nerd and are trying to structure something that is instructurable into an algorythm that makes sense to you.....and none of this will ever make sense to you because chicks are not computers or mechanical beings.

The time to start is right now because if you wait untill you are comfortable and fluent you will always be waiting. You become comfortable and fluent by doing it, not by reading about it.

Stay with me here because I am sincerely trying to help you and not meaning to insult your or belittle you. When I say you are a geeky nerd I say that with affection because I was (OK I AM) a geeky nerd and I would have wrote what you wrote verbatum. I trust in your own self-assessment that you need a structured format that you can follow.

So here is something that you can work with -

- Step #1 is get out of the basement and away from the computer and get out and talk to real live physical people with your actual mouth and voice. Look them in the eye when you talk to them. Train yourself to hold their gaze and not look away and not look down. Don't stare them down but let them look away first. You can shift your gaze for a few moments after their eyes shift so you aren't staring them down.

- Step #2 is do a complete head-to-toe makeover. Starting at the top get a fashionable hairstyle that works with your head and stature. Get contacts, LASIC or at the minimum get some stylish glasses that work with a style that you are trying to work with. Then get a new wardrobe of quality, well fitting, stylish clothes.

DONT do this on your own. Get a female that has a good sense of style and fashion and that is considered by mainstream society to be attractive, sexy, desirable and stylish to help you. This can be a social friend, a female relative, a coworker, your sister's friend, your buddy's girlfriend, your mom's manicurist or dad's secretary's daughter, I don't give a crap who, just get some gal that is cool and attractive to help you and do what she says.

Step #3 is get out with some fun people and do something that fun people do and where their will be females. That could be some kind of recreational hobby or some kind of community or church activities or anything that is social and fun and that you might enjoy and be somewhat good at.

Step #4 is is look women in the eye and talk to them. Don't worry about pick up lines or A1s, A2s or anything like that crap, just talk to them and listen to what they are saying.

Step #5 is be flirty and engaging and don't be afriad to show a romantic or sexual interest in them. Dont' be asexual and don't be their girlfriend. Be a man and a man flirts with females and tries to be romantic and sexual with them.

Step #6 is watch their body language and pay attention to what they are DOING and not so much with what they are saying. Look for IOIs and IODIs (you can do a search for lists of IOIs and IODIs)

Step #7 touch her and escalate. Start out small and incidental/nonsexual and steadily escalate as much as she will allow. (see Vin De Carlo's escalation ladder)

Step #8 lead her away from the pack and isolate her. in isolation continue to escalate. This can be both verbal escalation by directing the conversation to more personal and sexual levels or by escalating physically/sexually.

Step #9.....if you are alone and talking about personal topics and physically touching, then just don't panic and let nature take it's course.

Whatever you do, do NOT repeat DO NOT try to act C&F if it is not in your nature and do not try to peacock or do anything outlandish or rediculous like Mystery dressing in clown outfits or furry hats etc.

Pretty much all of the PUA books and programs can be broken down into these general concepts

#1 don't be a scaredy-cat pussy around women. Have a fun and interesting life and have competance in the things you do.

#2. Look as fit, sharp and groomed and stylish as you can.

#3. Approach and talk to women.

#4. be a sexual being and escalate incrimentally and steadily.

#5. isolate and escalate sexually while dealing with LMR and ASD.

Everything else in the books is just tricks and techniques expanding on those general concepts.

Thanks for the feedback so far.

@Rockstar - I'll definitely look at what else is around, but as I stated before, my main concern is the sheer volume of information available, which is fantastic, but only if used properly. It's that knowing what to use and when that I'm having trouble getting my head around at the moment.

@here2play - Thanks for the in depth response. I appreciate that you didn't want to insult or belittle me, but I must admit I did I feel an element of that when reading your reply. Let me attempt to dispel some of your assumptions about me:

- Fully appreciate that pick up is fluid and there's is no "magic script" that will allow you to pull anyone you fancy. The structure that I'm looking for is not what to say and when, but roughly what I should be doing, looking for, aiming to achieve based on what she's doing etc. As an example, there's no point in building comfort if she's clearly not interested in you at that point. Likewise, there's no point in trying to take it straight to the bedroom if you've just got a couple of IOI's.

- I have no problem in holding eye contact, and I can hold myself in any social interaction as long as I'm comfortable. And therein lies part of the problem - massive approach anxiety

- I'm completely comfortable with who I am, what I look like and the clothes I wear. I consider myself to be stylish, and have no issues with (and I do) going shopping with women.

- I already have an active social life, and often go to places where females are present.

- I do watch body language, and can pick up on IOI's and IOD's

- I have no intention of being C&F or doing anything that would make me feel completely uncomfortable in a vain attempt to pick up women. End of the day, I'm looking for a LTR eventually, and that is a sure fire way of not finding one IMO!

Having said that, I have found your post extremely helpful here2play in that I think I can better explain what I'm looking for at the moment - My approach anxiety stems from not knowing how a pick up goes from start to finish, and the seperate steps and techniques to use along the way and when (i.e. the 'Structure' element of it). I think that's probably why I find MM so appealing because it breaks the whole thing down into manageable, finite chunks that are easier to deal with. That's also why I want to be completely comfortable with the newbie mission first as at least it's getting me used to talking to strangers.

Given the above, does anyone have any further advice?

But You are trying to make it structured, logical and algorythmic hence the geeky nerd comment (again, no offense or belittlement intended. I'm a pick up geeky nerd because I try to make this algorythmic and I can see you trying to do the same thing) There have lots of times I have done a lot of comfort and rapport with people that weren't attracted to me initially and finally saw my attractive traits and felt attracted because they stuck around long enough because they were comfortable with me (backwards from what Mystery teaches)

I have also taken people straight to bed that have shown NO outward IOIs at all. They went to bed with me because i gave them the opportunity and they wanted to. no outward signs and no Algorythms. Mystery calls it a fools mate but it's funny how many foolsmates there are out there when you lead people into a bedroom.

Massive approach anxiety = not comfortable. and you aren't going to be comfortable untill you get over your anxiety and anxiety is overcome by getting out and doing it. having some canned openers can at least get your foot in the door and get you talking.

Once you get passed the first few awkward minutes all your other social skills will come into play.

That's all good.

-I too was comfortable with what I looked like and the clothes I wore and I liked my style. The problem was 99% of the women hated it and they are the ones open and close the pussy gates. The female eye is 10,000 times more descerning than the male eye. Take a cool, popular and stylish chick with you and follow her direction.

- Having a social life and going out with friends doing fun activities can be key. Just interact with women that you are doing fun things with and don't view it as an "approach" just view as talking to gal you are hanging out with and don't put the extra pressure on yourself by trying to turn it into an "approach."

- see my earlier post above. I think we've all been blown out by people showing lots of IOIs and have scored with people showing NO IOIs so look for them and note what you see but don't let the lack thereof stop you nor bet the farm on the ones you see.