Mystery, David DeAngelo, and Juggler are all frauds.

There is no proof that either Mystery (Erik von Markovik), David DeAngelo, or Juggler (Wayne Elise) have ever been with HB9s or HB10s.

There is no proof that any of their techniques work on HB9s or HB10s.

I've been in the game for 2 years, and have only scored with HB8s and below using the material taught from these three "gurus". (Mystery Method, Double Your Dating, How to Meet and Connect with Women.) I've also read countless other PUA and seduction books and e-books, including Robert Greene's Art of Seduction in full, The Game, and Mystery's Magnum Opus video course (valued at $2397). I've still only had success with HB8s and below from being in the game for 2 years. If I do not sleep with an HB9 or HB10 by the end of this year, I am giving up on the game altogether. It is a waste of time.

Here is a look at each of these instructors' girlfriends to prove that they are not pick up artists, but in actuality, scam artists.


MYSTERY (ERIK VON MARKOVIK):



Mystery's ex-girlfriend Katya (from The Game), HB6





Mystery's ex-girlfriend Jackie, HB5





Mystery with blonde HB4





Mystery with some dumb blonde bimbo HB3





Mystery with HB4 and HB2





Mystery with HB3 and HB6





Mystery with HB3





Mystery with HB5, HB4, HB3





Mystery with current girlfriend, HB5






DAVID DEANGELO:



David DeAngelo with current girlfriend, HB4





Fix the lighting and she's an HB3





Fix the angle and she's an HB2





His girlfriend is an HB2






JUGGLER (WAYNE ELISE):



Wayne Elise (Juggler)'s current girlfriend, HB3





Wayne Elise (Juggler)'s current girlfriend, HB3





Wayne Elise (Juggler)'s current girlfriend, HB3

I find a few of your ratings sliiiightly lower than i'd say the average male would rate, but still, interesting post.

On a side note, there's peacocking and there's peacocking.. that fur coat mystery is wearing is hideous.

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I think your being a bit harsh :S

They probably have great personalities

Well, they have surley dated hotter girls than those aswell. Mystery for one, have slept with over a 100 girls (probably way more by now), and that some of them is below HB5 is only natural really...

What's your point?

That every woman a man should be with should be based on her looks?

That these dating gurus are demi-Gods and they should be with mermaids and goddesses?

Grow up.

Women are not judged by face value, Neanderthal.

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lol, this guy who posted this probably never had a girlfriend and he is out disrespecting others.

Here is it works. When you end up having a girlfriend, you don't screen just based on looks. There are bunch of other factors. I would rather date a HB 6 who I can have fun hanging out with rather then HB 10 who is boring and all she does is goes to night clubs. (based on looks).

Guys coming from abundance screen for more then just looks. Guys coming from scarcity place value mainly on looks. Which explains why most guys get nervous around women when opening.

Come on man calling them 4s and 2s? Don't you think that's a little harsh?

Laughed so hard at David D. pics by the way. You could almost mistake his girlfriend for his sister. They really look alike.

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the thing is that, they are not scam artists at all.

They are all ex chodes. actually, every " P U A " was a HUGE FUCKING LOSER prior to getting into this shit.

then, they dedicated their whole life to this bullshit just to start getting laid.
so once they DID start getting laid, they started teaching this bullshit because no one else was, (quite smart) and have made quite alot of $$ doing so.

in essence they are business men, nothing else.

if YOU choose to buy into this shit, ( like literally pay money to learn PU,) then you are a fucking MORON.

you can learn everything you need to know by reading and applying yourself. nothing more. the real suckers PAY for this shit, and then BLAME the PUAs for being scam artists...

well guess what, every fucking corporate company in America is a scam artist as well

This post is LOL worthy.

On a side note, David D (Eban Pagen) really is just a business man. He even has a business seminar whre he talkes about how he basically conned the pua community.

Mystery.... well lol... one, your an idiot. Rating som e of them girls a 4/5? You have to be a troll? Anyways, what caliber women do you expect to get when you have to hide behind routines and fake bullshit...

Juggler... I find his GF to be ugly. That said, I've seen some women he has been with before and all I can say it.... his current girl must have a great personality.

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Some of those ratings for mystery's women are really wild yo. There's one I'd call a solid 8.5 that you call a 3.

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If I do not sleep with an HB9 or HB10 by the end of this year, I am giving up on the game altogether. It is a waste of time.

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If you prefer your hand to HB8s then knock yourself out.

If you call those gals HB3s and 4s then I will gladly take your 7s and 8s off of your hands so you can use your hands for your own jerk'n.

@ disappointed can you please post a picture of HB10, cause after what you're showing us here I have a feeling that my (or your) rating is not calibrated

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Them pictures prove nothing. You reading books proves nothing. You see pickup as a way to instant fix your perhaps (as we dont really know for sure) unsuccessful career with women, like pickup is an antibiotic to solve you women problems without any effort or open mind to learning. Its like you think: if you did it once, you should never be doing it again. If you are an athlete and you won the iron man once, you aint gonna win it next year just because you won it once. Self improvement never ends.

I dont know what juggler, mystery or david deangelo look like, i dont care. I dont know how their girlfriends look like, i dont care. If they are happy with what they have, then so be it.

What you think of those ladies shown in the random pictures you post means shit to me. But you trying to force an opinion on us, tells me that you have a low self image and low self esteem, looking for approval on a seduction forum.

Your entire message has this air of you expecting an instant cure for your 'disease' that exists only in your head, and frankly, it pisses me off more then i would like to admit. You come here and give us a complain post, not showing any effort what so ever from side except that you have read a huge amount of dating books, trying to get some approval by insulting random women on random pictures.

You dont tell us what it is you do ( if you do anything else but reading and complaining at all). How can we give positive criticism on that?

Come back when you have something to tell about what you have done or tried, and you will be welcome. Act now or forever shut your complaint-hole.

cheers

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Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

I'll chime in, too, why not.

I have a degree in economics, and I can tell you that if you presented any argument with 16 items in your sample, a real analyst would laugh at you. At least double that would get you a serious response, but that response would still be "you're skewing the sample." besides, who knows, some may be random girls who just wanted a picture with the guy in a funny hat. Don't assume the guys sleep with every girl they are with in a picture.

You're angry, dude. These philosophies aren't the magic pill, they won't bring you out of the matrix, insert third metaphor here. The confidence building and social intelligence is what its all about, and those are skills that you can use in any social situation. Stop thinking if you use some canned opener and wear a funny hat that you can score any girl. If you're an angry person, it'll show, and nobody wants to hang around a dude in a rage.

Finally, this is why I hate referring to women out of 10. So much subjectivity. I use the 5 star system because it reduces that, personally . But if you're only gonna be happy with a drop dead gorgeous you pretty much lost sight of things already. Who cares if the girlfriend is a 10? If they are dating the women, I hope they are doing so because they are not only attracted to them but find them interesting and likeable as well.

LOVE David D in that hat! Hilarious!!